Woe.

Front(Greg Laurie, Harvest Church Riverside,CA; Center Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa CA, Right: Rick Warren Saddleback Church Lake Forest,CA

“…Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.”Luke 12:1-3

The original Post of “Woe.” was on August 25, 2009. Edits and additional comments are explained at the end of the original post.

**Update: this post has been previously attached to a site that claims I am a CC ‘member.’
When I wrote this post I was attending a CC and had for years, this is no longer true as of June 2010.**

The Shift has Begun. The time for secrets and whispered alliances has become publicly known. The object of grievance for many who love Calvary Chapel and all that it once stood for has been affirmed. For all those who were called “Head Hunters, Heresy Sniffers, Contentious, and slanderers” they may now have some level of confirmation that their discernment wasn’t wrong; however, a true child of God who has the “gift” of discernment takes no pleasure in seeing what was once ‘the warning’ come to pass. Many people who are in the camp that believe Rick Warren is doing a work of God think that all of us are simply fanatic and fearful to ‘change.’ No. I accept Change. What I do not accept is heresy, lies, and false teachers. I will start in the order of the men that are in the picture above.

Greg Laurie.Greg is the Senior Pastor of Harvest Church in Riverside California. For those of you who don’t know the relationship of Greg Laurie and Rick Warren has stemmed over twenty years. According to Rick Warren himself, in a short clip taken backstage at the Harvest Crusade 2009, they have had a cyclical relationship with each others flock {see video below} . Greg Laurie has taught classes at Saddleback church and has done other projects in conjunction with Rick Warren. Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren has not been a secret in the Calvary Chapel circles. Many pastors have approached Greg Laurie over the years and attempted to rebuke him in love about his unequally yolked partnership to Rick Warren. Each time Greg asserted himself as someone who had been ‘sent to minister’ to Rick Warren. Over the same amount of years pastors have attempted to rebuke Rick Warren in love and to warn him about his own unequally yolked fellowship with those in the Emergent Church Movement and many other false gospels. Rick Warren too has justified himself and refused to repent of the heresies he has taught. I know that many people are going to be hurt by this news of Pastor Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie and Rick Warren appearing together on the same platform in “one accord.” For many who have called Calvary Chapel their home church the possibility of such once sound men of God (Laurie & Smith) appearing with an obvious wolf in sheep’s clothing (Warren) seems absolutely inconceivable. However, the truth of the matter is that is exactly what has happened. I have done many posts on this blog and my other blog related to the Heresy and Leaven that Rick Warren has introduced into the Evangelical, Christian, movement. This post is not so much to warn you of Rick Warren as it is to warn you about the dangers occurring inside Calvary Chapel. Rick Warren’s leaven has infiltrated Harvest church for years, it has filtered into smaller Calvary Chapels, and with the stamp of approval that Chuck Smith has now given it, the Leaven and Heresy that is Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life has come to roost in Harvest and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.

Chuck Smith.Chuck is the Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and known as one of the key persons of influence of the Jesus People Movement. Honesty I know very little about the ‘Jesus people movement.’ I have attended Calvary Chapel the length of my entire walk with Jesus Christ and never once cared to look into when or why this ‘movement’ started. When I had entered in to this ‘fold’ I had felt I was getting clear biblical teaching of God’s word. And I was. The Calvary Chapel of the past has changed dramatically. What Pastor Chuck started all those years ago has become an extended family that has grown up generations of Christ loving, God fearing people. Today however, with the acceptance of one of the most dangerous false teachers, Rick Warren, Calvary Chapel has much to loose and little to gain from yoking itself with Purpose Driven heresy. As I stated before, Rick’s relationship with Greg has not been kept in isolation, many people have known of this, however the fear that the ‘leadership’ from the top…ie, Pastor Chuck Smith, to accept Rick Warren’s heresy and to condone it has tipped the scale. Many people in the Emergent Church movement have been waiting for the day that Chuck would ‘accept’ Emergent and Purpose Driven as a movement that not even Chuck could deny it’s power to move people. However, simply because people are moved emotionally and spiritually deceived into a spiritual ‘experience’ does not make that a move of God. In 2006 Chuck Smith himself released a positional paper that denounced the Emergent Church, however today he is by his actions denouncing the very stand he took only some three years ago. Today the rebuke doesn’t seem to come, however I trust the Lord is working out His perfect will even as it appears that evil is prospering. It must be said that today Chuck is only expressing publicly what he has held as true privately for a long time. I can say that because many sheep have been stumbled by his actions to shield and protect Greg Laurie and Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren. There have been events that have caused people to stumble that have been hosted by CCCM, and other “Calvary Chapel Pastors” over the years. It has been years. This didn’t happen over night. Senior Pastors from the biggest to the smallest Calvary Chapel on the Directory KNOW what has been going on. They have had overt warnings, they’ve had whispered concerns expressed by critically hurt sheep and have denied to address the problem of the leaven that is Rick Warren and his blasphemous counterfeit gospel.

My Appeal to Pastor Chuck Smith, with all due respect to what you’ve done in the past, what you are doing now and what’s been happening for some time is stumbling and scattering the flock that God entrusted to you and countless other Calvary Chapel Pastors.

8. The great confusion that exists in the divergent positions of the Emergent Church results from their challenging the final authority of the Scriptures. When you no longer have a final authority, then everyone’s ideas become as valid as the next person’s, and it cannot help but end in total confusion and contradictions.

There are those who say that Emergent movement has some good points, but so does a porcupine. You are better off if you don’t get too close!-Chuck Smith, 2006

Rick Warren. I’ve said enough.

“Thank you Greg for preaching at 4 of the 6 services at Saddleback.” Rick Warren.

Articles from my blogs on Rick Warren:

Rick Warren & Tony BlairWarren’s New Social Gospel bibleRick Warren catapults Obama among ‘Evangelicals’ by hosting a ‘conversation’ with Obama and McCain at Saddleback ChurchRick Warren’s Flip Flop Morality; is he For Marriage or Gay Unions? He can’t decide Did you know Warren is a Southern Baptist? Even they speak out against his false teaching! ♦ Rick Warren’s Interfaith Prayer at Inauguration called on the name of Isa, Jesus of Islam! ♦

Articles on Rick Warren from Other Sites:

Olive Tree Ministries, Understanding the Times, Slice of Laodicea , Crosstalk, Prophesy News Watch, Joel’s Trumpet, Eric Barger, Lighthousetrails, OneNewsNow

References to Warren at Laurie’s Harvest Crusade:

[The following sites are not an endorsement nor am I in agreement with the sites cited.]

Christian Post August 13, 2009ANS August 19, 2009Greg’s Images Twittered live from Harvest 2009 ♦ ♦ RT (re-tweet) of Rick Warren’s comment about Greg Laurie speaking at SaddlebackOfficial Harvest Crusade 2009 Video Sunday, Chuck Smith introduces Rick Warren @ 10:47 minNational Worship Leaders Conference 2009, Greg Laurie [the sites listed are reference points they do not represent sites that I endorse but are merely used to provide further information]

NWLC 2009 Reggie M. Kidd did a segment entitled: “Showing the Story with the Ancient Church” the main topics included:

In this seminar, we take up the biblical basis for the unity of Word and Table in worship that emerged in the early church. We introduce four important texts
for understanding ancient future worship.
We look at three, practical legacies of ancient worship:
• the reading of Scripture,
• the Eucharistic prayer,
• the chanting of the psalms

National Worship Leader Conference 2008, Skip Heitzig Calvary Chapel Albuquerque

You must understand who the speakers are at these events (Research Leonard Sweet), what they believe, and teach to understand the implications. There are people who become stumbled because they believe some on the ticket to be ‘men of God.’ Some of these ‘men of God’ have taught on other types of heresy, or false doctrine, yet still are unequally yolked and keeping company with darkness.

The Answer to the Question. You may be asking yourself right about now, “What does this all mean?” What am ‘I’ implying by voicing all the things that have been said in this post? Am ‘I’ calling Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith, heretics, false teachers, false prophets…? God’s word answers that for you.

2 Peter 2

1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

2Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

3and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 Peter 5

The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being examples to the flock.

Matthew 18

Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

1 Timothy 4

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Test all things. Test the Spirit. Test what is being preached and taught in your church against the WORD of God. I recently commented to a friend if people tested all ‘Pastors, Speakers, Authors, etc’ against the true Word of God then there wouldn’t be a need for ‘Discernment Ministries.’ There has been volumes of warnings out on Rick Warren, Purpose Driven Life, Emergent/Emerging Church, Dominionist Theology, Mysticism, Ancient Future Worship, etc. The hour is late and there is little time to go through all that is now masquerading itself as ‘light’ in this world…but by all means try to do your own homework. Do not take anything of what I’ve said in this post or any other for that matter without holding it up to see if it’s true.

2 Corinthians 6

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

One last answer to the broken hearted out there who is grieving and mourning for the truth in matters….

All this has shown me is that there is no one righteous, no not one, especially myself! I make no claims to be more holy than the next person. I know that nothing good dwells in me and that I am a chief sinner. One thing I do know is that God is doing a continuing sanctification and by the Blood of the Lamb alone am I saved! Rejoice brother and sister in the Lord, for the time is near and the times are proving themselves to be the last days that our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken of. I know there is a remnant out there. I know there are people who love Jesus Christ Messiah and seek to do His will. Let us focus our eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, SON of the Living God! Our faith is bound up in Jesus Christ and none other!

Ezekiel 33

But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

**Update** 4-27- 2010

Finally a ministry with tons of connections comes out with a warning on what I’ve already expressed in this article and many countless others have been trying to express for years now~ better late than never:

Calvary Chapel Alert: Calvary Chapel Albuqurque (Skip Heitzig) Hosting New Age Mystic Leonard Sweet

(but let’s be clear this isn’t the first year he’s invited Leonard Sweet! AND it’s not that Chuck Smith doesn’t know about it or other CC Pastors…)

Post Primary Commentary: Below are my thoughts now in 2012, three years after the infamous embrace at Harvest August, 17th 2009.

The site above with a line through was Moriel, they disabled that link so it’s useless to have it up; and they never warned about Rick Warren’s connections to Greg Laurie or his visit in 2009 and embrace with Chuck Smith Sr.Further above in this post was a group of links to articles outside of my own blog posts who have written about Rick Warren; those sites I disabled the links to because I DO NOT support, endorse, or agree with those sites any longer. It has come to my attention over the years that those who placate and remain silent on truly exposing those within Calvary Chapel, who’ve enjoyed decades long employment and ministerial support, are just as guilty as perpetuating the lie within Calvary as the ones they claim to “expose;” namely Rick Warren.

Since this post in 2009 not one major discernment site reported on this union (Warren/Smith/Laurie). In fact since the Harvest 2009 20th Anniversary there has been much more leaven within Calvary Chapel and since then the failure of the major Discernment Sites and “Discernment Ministries” to expose the true and very real deception inside of Calvary Chapel has become over abundantly clear and pervasive. Those who expose Calvary Chapel and their fake discernment ministries that keep them afloat giving the appearance of a discerning church are the ones who are laboring and getting attacked from the CC machine. There is a vast and broad network within the Calvary Chapel “Movement” that crosses denominational divides. The Baptist Churches are involved too and I would venture to say that many of the “Emergent Churches” who have been declared the Devil incarnate by the organized controlled Discernment Ministries were really birthed out of the CC movement and the early hippies who saw CC moving toward Yuppeidom rather than staying “true” to their “emerging” styles in the early 70’s. This article “Woe” cost me nothing to post; I was an unknown blogger who had to send out mass emails to my friends and family to get readers. Now I don’t bother anyone with when I post a new article; however, I do have some more readers today than I did in 2009, but I am still very much an unknown. I do not have “secret” information; I do not know the upper echelons of Calvary Chapel. I do not work with anyone within Calvary Chapel or their subsidiaries. I am one person, with a heart for the body of Christ and I pray that those who are entrapped by the snare of the false teachings of CC and their organized discernment ministries will make their way out.

John 10: 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

35 comments

  1. There are a lot of people upset about this. I have tried emailing Greg, Rick and Chuck and nobody will return my emails. You can see some other interesting threads about this here http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=105153 and http://calvarylastcall.blogspot.com/2009/08/chuck-smith-and-rick-warren.html (see comment section below video) here http://anothervoicerev184.blogspot.com/2009/08/calvary-apostasy-going-from-bad-to.html and here http://www.scionofzion.com/rwpeaceplan.htm and this is just a few that a found. I believe this is the letter sent out by Calvay several years ago http://web.archive.org/web/20070814132249/http:/www3.calvarychapel.com/ccof2/parsontoparson.pdf and this is what was said by Calvary Chapel about Rick Warren’s book “The teaching and positions of Rick Warren have come into conflict with us at Calvary Chapel. Pastor Chuck has directed us to discontinue this product effective immediately.” Of course none of the links for this notice work anymore things will show up by searching Google and Yahoo but once you get to the site the page has been removed. This was a notice to the distribution center.This happened several years ago. I’m sad to say that my last day attending Harvest was the Sunday of the crusades. I had attended the church for abut 20 years.

  2. This whole thing saddens me and seems almost incomprehensible at the same time to think this has happened to a ministry/movement such as Calvary Chapel.

  3. I am very disappointed in in the lack of discernment that these Church leaders have shown. I was a previous member of a Calvary Chapel in Lafayette, IN with Pastor Joe Bell. I was transferred in my job to the Indianapolis area and I am a Deacon at another Church in this area. Is there any way that I can forward this startling information and videos to my friend, Pastor Joe Bell at Calvary Chapel in Lafayette, IN. He has to become aware of these developments. I believe Joe will make the Christ honoring decisions about these issues.

    1. Gary, feel free to forward this link and visit all the links in the post. There are volumes of work already done on the dangers of Rick Warren and PDL (Purpose Driven Life). You can follow me on Face Book and/or Twitter for updates such as these. God Bless!

  4. My name is Cindy LaFreniere and I have a Christian Message Board. I very much enjoy your articles and both of your sites and would really love to have your permission to post them on my board in full, including of course naming you as author and a link back to your original article. My site is Fresh Hope.com and I will be happy to give you a link to it in case you’d like to check it out first..

    http://www.fresh-hope.com/forums/index.php

    Please let me know if I may have your permission to post your articles from your sites. (I would have emailed you about this but was unable to find an email link-so please feel free to delete my post if you feel it’s inappropriate)
    Thank you for your time and consideration.
    God bless,
    Cindy LaFreniere

    1. Cindy, This site is News4theMasses that means YOU. You can repost or link to my posts, so long as my content is not changed…and if for some reason there are resulting probelms (which I pray there wouldn’t be) I’ll contact you about it. I have FB and Twitter as well…youtube acct. Lots of ways to get in contact. Obviously with all these means of communication I keep e-mail address private. So as we go and build a rapport maybe I can e-mail you directly in the future. I did look at your site and you seem to be addressing similar issues. I would have to spend more time on your site and read through but so far I don’t see a problem with you putting links to my posts. Blessings in our Lord and Savior! Jesus Christ Messiah!

      1. Thank you so very much! I also have facebook and twitter for FH so I’m sure we can get together somehow lol; I really don’t want to just put out my email addy in a reply like this, but if you look at the very bottom of the index page of my site, there’s a “contact us” link there. If you click on that and send me a note, I can then email you back with my address. (you don’t have to be a member of my board to use the contact us link) That would be good for me as I do try to keep all the permissions I have saved in a special folder so I don’t get mixed up and accidentally post something I don’t have permission to.
        I really appreciate all that you’re doing and look forward to sharing it with my members! thank you again!

    1. Apparently things ‘change.’ He was opposed to it. Maybe you should call Pastor’s Perspective and ask him. I’ve tried in the past over other CC pastors that were going wayward to contact Chuck Smith via CCCM and KWVE. No response. This seems to be the case for many who’ve been hurt, stumbled, and then scattered. It is truly sad, but remember “IF” these brothers are truly brothers, God disciplines His children, there is nothing to say that ‘if’ these men are true heirs they can be called out of the deception they are in and won back! James 5:15&16

  5. I don’t think I tore anything down. It’s not slander it’s news that is already out there, I’m not that important really. No one else is even touching this topic because of ‘fear’ of men. Before you judge me, know that this was prayed over for a long time. I’m in the CC fellowship this was one of the hardest most difficult posts I’ve ever done.

    1. Slander:. saying of something false and damaging: the act or offense of saying something false or malicious that damages somebody’s reputation

      What do you really know?

      Fact:1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

      Based on that- What do you know for sure?

  6. How sad. I had heard of this recently, but just found your blog through Lighthouse Trails. I am fighting the apostasy that has come into the Nazarene denomination, and I occasionally comment on the deception that Rick Warren and others are bringing in to all denominations.

    I encourage you to continue boldly speaking the truth. You are not alone.

    1. Sé que esta información es difícil. Sin embargo, el Señor sabía que el día iba a ser así. Disfruta la comodidad de saber que nuestro Señor resucitado ya nos advirtió acerca de estos días. Manténgase enfocado en Jesus Cristo y no te desmayes. Bendiciones a usted.

  7. Dear brother in the Lord,
    Just so you know where this is coming from, my wife Ruth and I are missionaries to Bolivia South America since 1969.
    Paul warned the Ephesian elders of this very danger that you are seeking to warn others of:
    Acts 20:28-30 “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also OF YOUR OWN SELVES shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” This is what Rick Warren and many others like him are doing. “The church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood.” Sad to say even supposedly “godly” men forget that the church is NOT theirs. It has been purchased with HIS own blood. What an accounting there will have to be given to God for messing around with His things!!
    I wish someone could face these men, especially Chuck Smith, with this portion and ask him if he is ready to give an accounting to God for what he is doing, for the way he is handling God’s church that God bought with His own blood? Also, the church is the temple of the Holy Spirit. What did God do to the two sons of Aaron who offered strange fire on the altar? What did He do to Ananais and Saphira? What did He say He was going to do to the church of Laodicea?
    Your brother in Christ, Dave Sommer

  8. My question to Erich is this…Erich have you taken the time to read all the articles within this article…or are you one to only read the “headlines”? Have you taken the time to pray and ask the Lord to lead you in wisdom and understanding. And to show you the truth?
    I know for a fact that this article was prayed over quite extensively…as well as the information with in “Woe” was not conjured up by Mijadedios…but already made public to man. The author has so graciously put it all together for those of us who haven’t the time, resources, or possibly just don’t bother until something doesn’t sit right with our way of thinking.
    So my thought is…if you have a concern…perhaps you could take the time to read each article and then take the time to write each person that made them open to the public themselves. Surely time you go through all of them I believe you will see a trend…and one not so heathly for the Body of Christ…line all things up to the Word of God…and…you will know with uncertainty God’s truth in this.
    If you are one that believes in the gifts of the Holy Spirit…then you will also pick up on a very important aspect to this article…”death of discernment”…you know…kinda like “death by chocolate”? That is what is happening in the Body today…and when it is recognized there are those who want to stamp it out…why…because they know that the Truth is going to spread like wildfire…Praise the Lord for His Holy Fire!
    You used the word “Slander” although in the Bible a very fleshy (carnal)word to most.
    Now what was the defintion that you gave?
    “Slander:. saying of something false and damaging: the act or offense of saying something false or malicious that damages somebody’s reputation”
    May I ask you where you get that Mijadedios has done that?
    The videos speak for themselves…the words come out of Ricks mouth as well as Gregs and Chuck Smiths…little confused at this point.
    Many times over the past…words spoken audiably have come out of these mens mouths…so where do you get that this is a slanderous article?
    Now I ask you…do you know the writer of this article personally? Do you have the right to make a comment or even come to a conclusion on the writers character? Can you with a clear concious make a honest sumation based on what you are calling fear?
    Perhaps that is one word you should look up…seems there is Scripture that goes something like…”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;…” Something we all should take to heart.
    The Scriptures speak of many things…teaches many things…Hebrews 5:14 teaches us that…
    “But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” This speaks of Spiritual maturity.
    I like others feel the need for this more so today than ever in the Body.
    Just know that I am not speaking against you or the burning in your heart…infact I think it wonderful that you have such passion.
    So don’t let others lead you…read your Word…seek the Lord’s truth in all things…know in your heart He will never stear you in the wrong direction…only upon the path of Righteousness for His name sake.
    Also I pray that we could pray in one accord…in the Spirit that Light will be cast upon the darkness around us. That any man of God that is being enticed or swayed by the master of lies himself would repent and come to Throne of Grace.
    One more thing…I know this person personally…and I know from the bottom of her heart that her desire is to warn the brethern because of her love for each and everyone of us.

    I do pray the Lord to bless you always…and to make His face to shine upon you.

    “Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain.”
    Psalm 127:1

    Final thought…it is not easy being a watchman…if we would but read God’s word and pray for discernment…we could give many a rest.

  9. Thank you for your reply. :) I actually started looking for myself right after I wrote that. Watched the video at the Harvest site. Amazing..
    I know very much about Rick Warren.. Been researching him, Rob Bell, Brian Mclaren all those Emergents and Seeker friendly people.. Truly sad. I read the paper that Chuck sent out around the time he sent it. So to see Rick Warren introduced as “good friend” by Chuck Smith was bizarre. :/ Greg Laurie has been on my “caution list” for a while as well. These are truly interesting times we live with. With the church being so filled with tares, and Israel and all that interesting stuff going on there. Truly exciting times. Jesus is returning soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

    1. Praise the God of Heaven! I’m so blessed to hear that you did your own investigation! That’s what I want. Test the spirit, even me and what I say here! I would never want anyone to ‘just’ take my word for it. I put it out there, it is my prayer that I represent the truth and the Holy Spirit will confirm it to you if you’re His and you’re seeking His Truth and His Will! So amen! that’s amazing and praise God that you recognize even this heartbreaking content is still worthy of God’s Praise because He is Keeping His Word! Our Abba is so wonderful!

  10. Thank you for your article, which I came across in the Lighthouse Trails Research blog. I have noted in your reply to Cindy’s comment above that linking your article to other sites is permissible. I have linked your article to my Facebook and wanted to let you know, in addition to thanking you for its use. God bless you.

  11. Thank you for your diligent service to our Lord and Savior and His flock. My husband and I have a Christian alternatives to addictions ministry which was born at Horizon Christian Fellowship, San Diego, CA in 1986. I praise God for His Spirit of discernment over these 23 years that have kept us from buying into the psycho-babble and secular recovery tripe that permeated society then, and now the Church. For years I have wept bitter tears for the souls of new believers who are being led astray from the absolute healing available through God’s Word. The bitterness was pure anger toward the Christian leaders who are polluting the Word, which God loves more than His name. I wanted to expose, shame, and burn them all … but the Lord led me to study the parable of the wheat and tares … no more anger … increased resolve to present the truth of Scripture, nothing but the truth. I’ve thanked God many times that I began my walk with Him at CCCM … its heartbreaking to see the devil’s influence growing in the Church, even in CCCM. We must be diligent in answering the call of Acts 1:8, in these troubling, exciting times! Jesus come quickly! Love in Christ to you! And thank you! May the Lord richly bless you and you continue to work for His glory!

  12. If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? The FOUNDATION for all things is the Bible. But WHICH BIBLE? When England and America were using just ONE BIBLE, the Authozied Version, we were a Biblically literate, blessed people visited with one revival after another, as God raised up righteous preachers and pastors.

    With the advent of these new “versions” in 1881, where has England and the US gone??? TOWARDS HELL. THe apostasy that has happened to the Anglo Nations coincides with their depature from the God-given foundation of the correct Bible.

    The new versions are PERVERSIONS. All these false teachers and compromisers–EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM uses these new versions and avoids the KJV like a plague.

    Think people!

    I am a Pentecostal believer, no doubt FAR TOO PENTECOSTAL for Calvary Chapel types. I am not a Fundamentalist Baptist. And I acknowledge that the KJV is sometimes hard to understand, and we often need an English dictionary, but that is good. That book makes us more literate, and forces us to study more and invest more time in its pages.

  13. Hi Mija,

    Wanted to thank you for your courage and your obedience to the Lord. You have expressed what so many would like to say but are fearful of saying anything that is controversial concerning Pastor Chuck Smith and Greg Laurie.Sadly many in Calvary Chapels have taken respect to the extreme of idolization. You have done these men a loving favor by daring to expose their error. Of course your motives will be misunderstood, but God is pleased and He will vindicate you in due time. Do not be dismayed by the slings and arrows of those who are deluded and blind. Pray for those who call you a hypocrite and your article excrement. I can’t imagine a true believer saying those things. They say you are judgmental? How ridiculous!! I pray for these ones who cast such stones – they are enemies of truth. The Bible says to pray for them and I do. Blessings to you!!

  14. Just tried it again and here is the page it goes to

    Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!

  15. This is the second time now that I’ve been led to your website and both times have been very confirming. I was sent to Harvest and visited there for about 3 or 4 months last year. It wasvery easy to see the types of influence which you are being openly discussed, most especially in their Wednesday nights study classes. I confronted available leadership concerning some of the things which I saw. It then turned into damage control for them. I wonder how the upper exchelons of this organization are going to deal with all of this?

    1. Thank you for your comment. I’ve come to understand the system is made up so no ‘upper exchelons’ can truly be held accountable. Not being a denomination and ‘just an affiliation’ gives them the liberty to run their respective churches to the will of the Senior Pastor. All the way up through Chuck Smith’s Calavary Costa Mesa there have been sheep hurt, scattered, and stumbled trying to find answers and some way to ‘report’ what has happened to them. Not all pastors in CC are bad, but there are some out there and the most important aspect of this post is to warn you that if the ‘Hirearchy’ is in cahoots with Rick Warren et.al. be very careful and test. It’s not blasphemy to test Chuck and Greg! imagine that! Test what anyone behind a pulpit is teaching, the bible tells us to do so!

  16. Just tried again, nothing.

    About Rick Warren giving one of the opening prayers at the Sunday evening closing service of the Harvest Crusade in Anaheim, CA. Here are the references and my thoughts.

    Greg Laurie at Saddleback 8-9-09

    http://saddleback.com/mc/services/currentseries.aspx?site=yDi0V4EwP58=&s=vsqSbxM5CDU=

    Rick Warren at Harvest Crusade 8-16-09 – webcast and slideshow.

    http://www.harvest.org//crusades/2009/anaheim/

    http://www.harvest.org/crusades/2009/anaheim/webcast/player.php?id=136

    Chuck at minute 14, Rick at minute 17.

    http://www.harvest.org/crusades/2009/anaheim/slideshows/sunday.html

    My wife and I have gone to various Calvary Chapels since October of 1971. We presently go to one in Texas.

    We have seen many attempts at tearing them down. If you take the time to watch the videos, Chuck does introduce Rick but, if you look at his body language he seems to be very uncomfortable returning to his seat. Rick jumps up to hug Chuck, I think for the photo opp. This does show, however, the gentleman in Chuck not to make a scene.

    I have come to the conclusion, though, that I disagree with what Greg Laurie did at the convention.

    This has nothing to do whether Warren is saved or not, whether Chuck agrees or not, or whether Calvary Distribution carries Warren’s books.

    It has everything to do with recognizing him at this venue and thus giving the opportunity of the uninformed, with whom we share our concerns over the heretical contents of Warren’s books, to say “Well, Greg Laurie and the Calvary Chapel movement must agree with him. Why should I listen to you?”.

    This kind of thing has happened many many times over the years we spent within the ‘cults movement’ when witnessing to them. We must now deal with how to answer this when it comes.

    Let’s note that Greg was allowed to give a sermon at Saddleback and many prayed during his alter call. I’m sure that doesn’t happen very often there. Even as late as last Sunday evening’s service, Chuck warned again about the heresy of the Emergent Church.

    Let’s forgive and continue on sharing Jesus with those who don’t know Him.

  17. Great post and the picture of Laurie, Smith and Warren truly speaks a thousand words. They are all agents for Satan. Can I tell you who else is close friends with Laurie, endorses him, speaks at his church, and is also on board with the Purpose Driven / Church Growth agenda? John Macarthur! Macarthur’s church has Purpose Driven ministries and Macarthur’s international ministry is now fulfilling Rick Warren’s PEACE plan. I know this for a fact.

    Bob Johnson

    1. I tried downloading that website you mentioned concerning MacArthur and it wouldn’t let me. Do you have another one that I can use so that I can find out about MacArthur’s involvement in this Warren stuff? Thanks. Dave

  18. As someone who has been a Calvary Chapel member since childhood (I am now in my thirties) I have been concerned about these online discernment ministries questioning Calvary Chapel’s direction, especially concerning the emergent/emerging movement. I myself have been very concerned because I realize what is at stake. Today, I attended, via simulcast, the 2009 Men’s Conference. And even though I may disagree with some of Calvary Chapel’s adherence to Pentecostal theology, I was so relieved and encouraged regarding what I heard this morning. The message today was regarding spiritual warfare. And one by one, these men got up there and said that the battle is here and it’s time to fight! I was especially encouraged by Brian Brodersen, this morning when he opened up with ten ways the church is being attacked today. And one of the ways he mentioned was via the “liberal theology of the Emergent Church.” My heart leaped for joy. While it was just a brief comment in an overall introduction to the conference, this gives me hope for the future of Calvary Chapel and the body of Christ.

    1. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I’m not a Discernment Site. There are real Discernment Sites out there that have done tremendous work to keep people informed on a plethora of heresies I am one small tiny insignificant voice. However, I have been in CC’s for my entire walk. I’ve seen the leaven flood in and God Loving men who fear Man not say anything in hopes and prayers that what was being brought into CC’s under the guise of being postmodern fizzle out. I have read my post several times and don’t see where I declared Chuck Smith ‘Emergent’ however many people defend the man Chuck Smith by saying he’s not “Emergent.” Interesting. In response to Brian Borderson, I suggest you research him more. Follow all the links I posted in this blog post on Rick Warren. The issue is Chuck and Greg Appearing with Rick Warren and exposing their mutual relationship. If you don’t think Rick Warren is dangerous, has Emergent/Ecumenical (just to name 2 heretical teachings) leanings and relationships then I really don’t know what to tell you. I’m not here to ‘convince’ or to ‘convict’ only the Holy Spirit can do that. I can tell you as long as you ‘can’t imagine’ that these men could fall you won’t be able to see the truth that is right in front of you. I know. I know many who would rather believe the lie than fall on their face and cry out Abba Father! I continue to pray for these men and I pray that one day I can post a Praise Report that both Chuck Smith and Greg Laurie have fully rejected the lies of Rick Warren. But it hasn’t happened yet.

      1. It sounds like you and I have a lot in common. I too have attended CC my whole life (32), and also regulary check several ODM sites regularly such as Slice and Apprising Ministries to name just a couple. I have disagreements with CC on theological issues. I especially am wary of Rick Warren and believe he is very dangerous. He has turned the gospel into a self-help book about us instead of the God’s master plan about our Savior, Jesus Christ.

        While you say that you didn’t call Chuck Emergent, your post says this,

        “It must be said that today Chuck is only expressing publicly what he has held as true privately for a long time.”

        This is the problem with blogs and forums. Everyone can slander anyone without having to do any original journalism or research. Make sure you remember it takes two or three witnesses to make an accusation against an elder. You have a picture of Chuck sitting on a stage with someone who is very questionable, I admit. That’s all you have.

        This is what I would keep in mind. Worry about your pastor. CC’s are independent to a large extent, so worry about your church. Do what you can to keep your church true to Christ. Pray for CC. Pray for the entire body. Pray for yourself and your ministry to others and within your local church. Get involved. We can get so wrapped up online in being judgmental and turning these little internet rumors and blogs into something much bigger. Should we be concerned? Yes. So pray. Don’t jump to conclusions.

  19. I want to say that over the last year Chuck Smith and Brian Broderson have spoken out several times against the Emergent Church, so I am surprised to see this post and how all encompassing it is.

    I do not go to Greg Laurie’s church and so I can not provide any insight there.

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