Chuck’s Convergence; Catholics are Christians Too

Clip One October 11, 2011:

http://www.kwve.com/podcasts/Pastor%27s%20Perspective%2011_10_11.m4a   (Start at 48:10 mark; also see the transcript below.)

Transcript:

Don Stewart: Alright back we go to the phones to Orange, California with Ben on the line. Ben welcome to Pastors Perspective, Hi!

Ben: Hi how are you?

Don Stewart: Fine thank you!

Ben: I uh, I am a loyal listener, I um love going to uh your men’s conferences [Don Stewart: “Good!”] and I fellowship with a bunch of people at Calvary Chapel’s, um I visit Greg Laurie’s Harvest, and I have a question because I sometimes I have a hard time understanding um how I um, communicate with people um of the Protestant faith because I am Catholic, and sometimes we um have communication issues and, they want to get into apologetics and um, you know I love the worship and the fellowship with those – with the different people but um I’m going to hang onto my faith as well, and I am just curious what you think about it.

Don Stewart: OK, good question there Ben in fact were glad your going to these events we’re glad you listen to this program. OK Chuck what about that?

Chuck Smith: Ben I have a cousin who was a mother superior in the Catholic Church, and uh, she was just a wonderful Christian, loved her and we had great conversations together, and I didn’t try to convert her from Catholicism nor did she try to convert me uh into becoming a Catholic, its just we both recognize that uh you know we have, we had the same Lord, and the same uh faith ya know and so uh we just uh you know on those things we agreed upon we just agreed upon and we didn’t really bring up the things where there were disagreements.

Not included in the video:

Don Stewart [Minute 49:42]: Ya um again the question is Ben if you love the Lord Jesus, if you’re trusting Him and Him alone for your salvation that’s the key, what are you trusting in, what’s going to get you to heaven is it Jesus and something else or Jesus and Jesus alone and that’s the question that needs to be answered, and of course the Bible said its Jesus alone by grace through faith we’re saved, it’s not of ourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast, cause Chuck it wouldn’t be heaven would it if people were walking around bragging what they’ve done…and uh no peacocks strutin’ around, na na it’d be real miserable we’re not going to see that in heaven. Alright let’s go now to Aurora, Colorado and talk to Jay on Pastors Perspective, Jay welcome to welcome to the program [Minute 50:20].

Listen for Yourself:

Pastors Perspective 10-11-11 (Caller Ben from Orange at 48:15 min mark)

and 11-23-11 (Caller Beverly from Ontario)

Clip two November 23, 2011

Transcript below:

Host- Alrighty we’re going to Ontario California we’re going to talk to Beverly

Host-Beverly you’re on Pastors Perspective you have about a minute left so if you can state your question?

(Beverly) Caller- Yes I have a question is it right for a Catholic woman to marry a Christian man even if she’s pregnant with his child?

Chuck Smith Sr.- Well, I don’t ah see that, ah, well ah there’s going to be difficulty, uh ya know, but if you can resolve the differences, I don’t think they’re that great, and I think that you probably, ah if you’re pregnant with his child you should marry him, and of course ah I think that uh, it’s um it’s alright you can resolve the differences. and I think that uh I , ah, I know of many of that ya know.. You know Catholics are basically Christians too and uh so uh I think that uh, you know what the differences are less than much less than what a lot of people face and are overcoming in their mariages.

Chuck Jr- I think the more important questions are is he a “good” man and do they love each other.

Chuck Sr. – uh huh.

Fade to video of Chuck Smith at Harvest 2009. “Fasten Your Seat belts…”

convergence

noun meeting, junction, intersection, confluence, concentration, blending, merging, coincidence, conjunction, mingling, concurrence, conflux Hindon lies at the convergence of eight roads.

**Update: A reader sent me a link to his post dated 11-10-11 in reference to yet Another Ecumenical comment by Chuck Smith:

11/10/11

Another Voice (Rev.18:4) Click here to read full post

Calvary Chapel’s Chuck Smith Bows To Mormon God; Tells 10-yr Old Girl “Good Mormons…Will Be In Heaven”

This is quoted from the 11-9-11 “Pastor’s Perspective” call-in radio program at 36:10 min. The audio recording is: here
***
36:10 Don Stewart: To Cheyenne Wyoming…we have Alexa on the line….10 yr. old Alexa: My aunt Valerie(?) doesn’t really know the book of Mormon…so will she still go to hell?Don Stewart: Ok good question…Alexa’s got an aunt, Chuck, who is a mormon and wants to know if the mormon will go to heaven…Chuck Smith: It all depends on their relationship with Jesus Christ…and there are a lot of good Mormons who do believe in Jesus and I believe they will be in heaven, but you know we can’t do it on own righteousness or own works you know we have to depend on Jesus for our entrance into heaven…[end]

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.  
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:13-20

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8 comments

  1. The facts speak for themself and thank you for putting this all together. There is nothing to be gained by sticking our heads in the sand. Either we stand for truth or we do not. We can’t set up any man as an idol.

  2. Hi Andrea

    I was given your blog address from a reader who recommended your site.

    “New Calvinism. Explaining And Exposing This Latest Ecumenical and Apostate Movement Which Is Taking The Church By Storm” on:
    watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-calvinism-explaining-and-exposing.html

    Please check it out first before publishing this comment to see whether you indeed do support my content.

    God bless
    John

    1. I read through this post that you linked to in your comment. It’s good, informative, lengthy, but thorough. The Jesuits are obviously behind many counterfeit groups, organizations, and movements. The end game is to lead people away from the truth with some other form of truth. A lie wrapped in truth, it is Satan’s oldest trick in the book; “Surely you shall not die.” The Ecumenical movement whether it be distributed via New Calvinism, New Apostolic Reformation, Dominionist Theology, Calvary Chapel, or many others all lead to the same damnation. It’s difficult to say the least to shine a light on the darkness and try to help people see that their favorite celebrity pastor is truly a fake. Often times it takes a long time or personal loss to cut through the thick veil of deception that has been blanketed over them. This is why we continue to pray and continue to do the hard work of being messengers of a most often unwelcome warning. We however have not suffered unto death for these warnings of apostasy and heresy, maybe that day awaits some of us, who knows; but one thing we can be assured of, if the World hated our Lord Christ Jesus first, it will surely hate us for proclaiming He is

        the Only Way, truth, and the life!
  3. Just like his idol Billy Graham…

    Personally, I cannot wait for the church to wake up to THE TRUTH ABOUT BILLY GRAHAM. If the WORLD loves the man — and they DO — in contradiction to Jesus stating that the world will hate His true disciples — shouldn’t we be asking ourselves WHY???

  4. Chuck,
    Catholics are not Christians. They just thought, assumed ,that they are Christians. But they are not. All teachings . or doctrines of Christianity that comes from the West, North and South, are all false doctrines. the true doctrine of Christianity should had to come from the East.

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