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Why They Do Not Warn- part 1 Chuck Smith and Tim LaHaye Connection

Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees

“Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” Matt.23:1-12

The last time I addressed a post with Matthew 23 was with my article “Woe” in September 2009. I had wrestled with whether or not to post anything about the Harvest Crusade that had just transpired in August 2009 where Rick Warren (America’s favorite Pastor/and all time heretic) had appeared on stage with Chuck Smith (Calvary Chapel’s Founder and Mega Pastor that transformed the hippies back into yuppies). I waited at that time to see if any of the “Discernment” ministries would address the issue, after all it was them who had warned me about Rick Warren and all his evilness. Where were the flocks of “Watchmen” who were supposed to hold up the mirror to Chuck Smith and say, “Why did you do that, “brother?”” There were “experts” on Emergent church infiltration who had linked Rick Warren’s mega church Seeker driven management style to the likes of C.Peter Wagner and Bill Hybels and the list went on and on, Rick Warren is a “Globalist,” so I heard from these speakers and authors who traveled the globe, yet found time to come to the local Calvary Chapel and sell their books and Cd’s. All the men were silent and the women as well. So, although I knew only ten people might even read my blog at the time I would have to say something because I had sent out warnings about Rick Warren too, I had passed along much of the information I had gathered from those “Discernment” ministries, and I too had been known to say, “I will lift up no one above my God, principal before personalities…” And I wrote my article, “Woe.” Some came, many more than I had anticipated came to read, some objected and chastised me, some even condemned me for “attacking” “God’s anointed.” But the folks who had seen the hand writing on the wall were appreciative, and I got many messages of confirmation and solidarity when they shared their own experiences at being hushed up, pushed out, and black listed for trying to sound their own warnings in their own way at their own Calvary Chapels.

An Apology

This is an apology, not to address anything I’ve said in the past, but failure for not being more discerning then as I feel I am now. When Rick Warren appeared “on stage” with Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith, it wasn’t a shock so much as it was confirmation of the long history they’ve shared and suspicions that there was a close working relationship between them. They finally had displayed outwardly what many had suspicions of inwardly for a long time. What I am about to disclose in the series of posts that follow is information I’ve had for maybe a few weeks, some information again that simply needed confirmation to suspicions, but for the most part none of what I’m going to share has been hidden from view. Often times these types of double minded people do things in plain view, it’s a joke to them, to keep everyone’s eyes preoccupied on the ‘right’ hand so we don’t see what they are doing with their ‘left’ hand, but both are always moving and both always working together. My apology is, “I’m sorry I didn’t see all this sooner and could have warned you of more earlier, but this is what I have found. I don’t want to harm my brethren by not sharing what I have. Other “ministries” I believe have known of this and probably know much more than I do since they’ve been around for much longer, but many of them are a part of this “Network” and have made the choice to suppress information. I am not a part of any “Discernment Ministry.” I’m not working for anyone. I don’t know these people personally and what I am about to share is not a “personal” attack on any one person individually but it is highly suspect that these people who make a living off of “warning” you of false shepherds and false prophets have failed significantly; in this respect their failure to truly warn leads me to believe their failure is not accidental.

“Breaking News”

In 2009 while most of us (including myself) were distracted and appalled (or not) by Chuck Smith embracing Rick Warren, “a friend,” on stage at Harvest 2009 in August; we missed what happened in November 2009. Although this is going back, it’s breaking News to me, and may or may not mean something significant to you. For my first part of the series I will provide information that CNP’s Founder and Moonie supporter, Timothy LaHaye, has had an extensive and long career with Calvary Chapel, so much so that in 2009 the Founder of Calvary Chapel appeared at Tim LaHaye’s Pre-Trib Study Group Conference.

Click on picture to enlarge. Some of you may still think of Tim LaHaye as, “just the guy who wrote Left Behind,” but he’s more than that and his empire wasn’t built overnight.

I don’t want this first post to turn into who Tim LaHaye is, he’s been exposed for years and there is a plethora of information to be found out about him on line. I will not reinvent the wheel here, but I will share more about what I found regarding Tim’s friends.

Birds of a feather…flock together

Most of us who’ve tried to research Tim LaHaye know that it’s near impossible to find a complete and current list of his CNP members. LaHaye’s secrecy is not limited to CNP, he seems to be very selective about his level of transparency. It’s always offensive to me that these “men of God” refuse to be 100% transparent with their associations and with their finances. When asking myself, “Why don’t they (all discernment ministries you may believe are credible right now) warn?” The answer wasn’t hard to find once I saw this:

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The image is a screen shot ‘of’ the member list in 2003, which is as far back as I could see on the website. You can search for yourself through the years of the members list at this site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040405044332/http://www.pre-trib.org/about-members.php

Just know that on today’s website for Pre-Trib Research Center there is not a “Members list,” and now that I’ve drawn attention to it here the archive may not be around too long either.

Look closely at the names. While you are reviewing the list, think of who that particular person shares their ministry with, whom they speak alongside, books they promote, and who they warn you of, and whom they NEVER touch.

Some people may say, “Just because they are on this list means nothing,” “you can’t lump them all together!” To them I say this; when I received the newsletters, and the warnings in years past written by those on this list, they presented their material in like manner. I recall all the links and associations they made between Pagitt, Driscoll, Hybels, and McLaren, and then reported it as a vast conspiracy of Emergent Church infiltrating the Evangelical non-denominational “Bible believing” churches. The same method of association and working together on projects is exactly what I am employing here. Does the method always apply? Can one assume that because, let’s pick a name randomly from the list above…Mr.Bill Perkins, Bill Perkins of Compass International is on this list; he employes many of the same speakers on this list, he has had an extensive career writing for Chuck Missler at Koinonia House, and using Missler and others on the Steeling the Mind Conferences. Is it possible that Perkins, Missler, and Tim LaHaye have connections to one another that prohibit them from exposing one another when they find out that their “brother” is not behaving in a godly manner? Have you ever read an exposition by Missler on Tim LaHaye and his Moonie money? Have you ever read a Berean Call letter from Dave Hunt on Chuck Missler’s connection to William Welty the New Ager who’s Missler’s associate over at SwanSat? Have you read the latest book by Terry James where he goes into detail about the Religious Right’s Conservative political ties to infiltrate and sway the body of Christ to constantly approve of wars under the guise of “Conservatism and Americana Propaganda?” When was the last time Jimmy DeYoung, Brannon Howse’s dear friend, ever exposed Chuck Missler? Remember that time Thomas Ice exposed Norman Geisler’s teaching of Thomas Aqains? Oh, that’s right that never happened. Well, there was that time when Mark Hitchcock exposed Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s links to the Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism, oh oops, that never happened either.

Bedfellows of Tim LaHaye

Chuck Smith wasn’t the only shocking “guest” over at the Pre-Trib Study Group Conference that I found. Click on the thumbnails to enlarge:

For me, the information I gathered on those who speak and share the stage with Tim LaHaye is exactly, “Why They Do Not Warn,” about Tim LaHaye.

Why They Do Not Warn Part 2 click below:

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/why-they-do-not-warn-part-2-lonnie-frisbee/

David Hocking, Chuck Missler, Dave Hunt, Mike Gendron, Jimmy DeYoung, all those named above who participate with Tim LaHaye, none of them are going to Expose Tim LaHaye’s connection to Rev. Moon, or tell you about the secretive Council for National Policy, that is ecumenical, and buys off people in other countries, part of the dispose of one tyrant for another tyrant that the US can control modality. Click on the thumbnails…

International Apostasy

After all the hulabaloo here we are once again… Ok folks, there’s a back story to this and maybe this is a non issue for some but I will just lay it out as I have come to the knowledge that a vast and sinister network of “False Discerners” is afoot. Some time ago there was an issue concerning Chuck Missler. A friend asked me to look into Chuck Missler to see “where he was wrong” for a friend of theirs (to be named later) who was about to join Chuck Missler on a speaking engagement. I really truly didn’t want to investigate Chuck Missler because it’s one of those, If you have to ask, type of things. (translation, If you have to ask then there’s your answer, something is already wrong with the guy.) I did look into Chuck Missler and I found a plethora of things wrong with the man. My own personal objections to him are as follows:

He is a false prophet.

He is a liar.

He has been working with people like Tim LaHaye (CNP) and Chuck Smith (CCC) for most of his “biblical career.”

He is into stuff that is extra biblical: Numerology, Kabbalah, Mysticism, Demonology, Apocrypha,  and a lot of other weirdness.

So once you do your own lengthy study of all the various outrageous claims (Y2K) that Chuck Missler makes and realize for yourself that his motive most certainly cannot be to teach the bible but must be for other nefarious reasons you too will understand the shock and awe when you see other more/less “notable” and “trustworthy” teachers come alongside him and speak with him.

When I conducted my vetting of Chuck Missler it was just prior to “Future Congress” a conference held in Branson Missouri that included other notorious sensationalists like Tom Horn, but also on the docket was a speaker I had learned about through Roger Oakland’s UTT website, Chris Pinto. Chris Pinto did a lot of work “exposing” David Barton. David Barton is a Dominionist and a false teacher. David Barton has been used extensively for his version of American “Christian” history. Many Calvary Chapels simply adore David Barton and have him speak at their conferences. When I watched one of Chris Pinto’s dvd’s where he exposed the “Founding Fathers” as being much more than patriotic, namely Enlightenment/Illuminati influenced, Masons, and Jesuit ties to much of our early beginnings of America I stood up and wanted others to know the same truth. I saw so many of my brethren getting sucked down the black hole of Glenn Beck and David Barton, and at that time Chris Pinto was the only one I knew who was speaking against it. But, lo and behold it wasn’t long before realizing that Christ Pinto was a willing and able body individual that was joining with Chuck Missler at the “Future Congress” conference. Pinto was also being promoted heavily on other fake discerners shows like, Alex Jones, and Brannon Howse. So, I asked (via email) Roger Oakland (who had promoted Chris Pinto) and LHT (Lighthouse Trails Research) “Why is Chris Pinto with Chuck Missler at this conference, I thought Chris Pinto was supposed to be on the up and up?” I did not get an answer. I pursued the issue concerning Chuck Missler and sent emails out stating what I had found on the guy, that his connections were all wrong and he was a man never to be trusted and people who are “alerting” and “discerning” should not be speaking along with him or it would stumble the flock. It was soon that a fellow blogger informed me that Missler was on a speaking engagement with Roger Oakland. No wonder I had not received an answer, this blogger posted on it and I concurred that the joining was in bad form, especially considering all the monumental evidence out there that pointed to what a false prophet Chuck Missler is. Quickly I began to be attacked and ostracized for pointing out that simple fact. Then I did hear back from Roger Oakland, he demanded I reveal the identity of the fellow blogger and I most certainly would not have even if I had that information at the time because it was very uncouth, and controlling.  I took the liberty to pose the question again, Why is Pinto speaking with Missler, why are you speaking with Missler, certainly you know who he is, after all these years of knowing him, after all the investigative research into the book Faith Undone, surely you must know that Missler is not good. The last communication was, “I WILL NOT GO THERE.” from Roger Oakland in regards to my line of questioning on Chuck Missler. To Roger Oakland’s benefit, he did attempt to appease me by saying “they” (IDK who this meant) were in contact with the group that was putting on the conference (where Chuck Missler was to join Roger Oakland) and “things were happening behind the scenes that you (I) did not know about.” In the end, I waited for another blogger to conduct Matthew 18 and waited, and finally did my own blog post about the whole issue (See, “A time to speak” below). In the end, Roger Oakland did not end up speaking at this conference, and consequently two others bailed out, David Hocking and Ray Yungen. This does not mean anything however, because none of those who left that conference ever came out and stated that Chuck Missler is a false prophet, false discerner, and out of pure heart and a desire to stand on sound doctrine did they submit that Missler is wrong in anyway, they simply left quietly without reference. It was my conclusion after finding out that Blue Letter Bible which was started by Chuck Missler (Khouse) as well as Sowing Circle (which is another Missler related venture) did I realize that what could have been (is) a contributing factor for all the silence was that these men have ministries with ties to Missler’s ministries (by ties I mean $$$). Obviously there are links from BLB to Hope for Today and to UTT and other ministries Roger Oakland has overseas. It was assumed that Roger Oakland left the US speaking circuit to attend to those ministries overseas, however he does still speak at conferences in Canada, and probably other countries as well, Africa comes to mind of a recent trip Roger Oakland took there… Anyway, Yesterday I saw this over at KHouse Africa. I am not totally amazed by this. Yes if you click enough you can get from KHouse Africa to UTT. And if you look hard enough you too can find out why there has not been a complete severing of ties between Missler and Oakland. At one time I truly valued Roger Oakland’s ministry, his book (if he indeed wrote it) Faith Undone, helped me to see more than he intended I believe. The first prophecy conference I ever went to was in Arizona where I heard David Hocking, Chuck Missler, and Roger Oakland do presentations, so I know that they have worked together in the past. It had been my hope at one time that Roger Oakland was merely deceived by Missler and once he saw with his own eyes, and did his own vetting of Missler he would realize that Missler is truly a WOLF and Roger would flee immediately, however that never happened. There are some people who truly see no harm in Chuck Missler, KHouse Africa, selling Roger Oakland’s material. Some will say that Roger has no control over who sells his merchandise (Amazing Discoveries/SDA ministry) or who links to UTT (Lighthouse Trails), and that what would be more disconcerting was if Roger linked to Missler. With that line of thinking I have little to say in rebuttal. I do know that these networks of people exist, they support one another, they cover for one another, they use some to “expose” and others to endorse all the while remaining bedfellows. What you do with this information is for you to wrestle with.

Related Links by N4TM:

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2011/12/24/a-time-to-speak/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/slight-of-hand-false-prophet-chuck-missler-still-on-speaker-schedule-with-other-calvary-chapel-discerners/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/cons-spies-and-a-misguided-compasssthe-complicated-world-of-discernment-false-information/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/im-gonna-knock-you-out/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/the-network-discernmentdeception-broad-is-the-way/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/walter-j-veith-lht-and-some-amazing-discoveries/

**as always external links used do not constitute as an endorsement but are used as reference, do your own due diligence in exercising discernment**

Jesuits beget Jesuits: Norman Geisler Veritas & Calvary Chapel Bible College

Veritas Evangelical Seminary

Affiliation
Veritas Evangelical Seminary is a free standing inter-denominational institution with its own Board of Directors, without affiliation to any particular church or denomination.

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Board of Directors

  • Luman R. (Roger) Wing (San Diego, CA)—Research Scientist [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, former UTT Board Member, Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]
  • Don Stewart (Laguna Niguel, CA)—Author/Speaker [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, Pastor's Perspective co-host, His Channel]
  • David Shirley (Murrieta, CA)—Pastor/Educator [Calvary Chapel Pastor Westminster London,England]
  • Joseph M. Holden (Winchester, CA)—President [Calvary Chapel Bible College Academic Adviser & Teacher]
  • Brian Brodersen (Costa Mesa, CA)—Pastor/Chairman [Calvary Chapel Bible College Vice President, Assistant Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]

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(Veritas Evangelical Seminary) Adjunct Teachers/Guest Lecturers

Ergun Caner (Missler/Compass, ISCA/Geisler)
Arnold Fruchtenbaum ( Radio Free Church/John Higgins, Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism/Billy Graham (UN))
Ed Hindson (Missler/Compass)
Thomas Ice (Missler/Compass)
J. Randall Price (Missler/Compass)
Brian Nixon (Calvary Chapel of Albuquerque Pastoral Staff/Skip Heitzig, Publishing staff CCCM/Chuck Smith, Word for Today/Don Stewart&Chuck Smith)
Ron Rhodes (Missler/Compass)
William E. Nix (
Jay H. Smith (

Calvary Chapel Bible College: Guest Teachers/Lecturers

Dr. Richard Bennett, Cheryl Brodersen, Joey Buran, Charlie Campbell John Chubik

Dr. Paul Copan, John Courson, Dr. Ed Bulkley, Dr. Norman Geisler, Ken Graves,

Skip Heitzig, Jack Hibbs, Bob Hoekstra, Sean Housman, Poncho Juarez, Todd Kent

David Guzik, Wayne Taylor, Rafael Manzanares, Don McClure, John Millhouse

Norman Geisler Author of the Chicago Statement of 1978, formulated post PhD. from Jesuit School, Loyola University; is the Founder of Veritas Evangelical Seminary, and founder of International Society of Christian Apologetics (ISCA). Geisler is a part of Calvary Chapel Bible College, a frequent speaker at Calvary Chapel Churches, and conversely all of his Board Members of Veritas are Calvary Chapel related Pastors and/or Speakers and/or CC Board Members of other Calvary Chapels. The Chicago Statement of 1978 was signed by over 300 Evangelicals, including David Hocking and Josh McDowell to name a few.

Now some would have you to believe these people are not one in the same. What do you think now that you see the evidence?

Geisler, Missler, Smith, Graham

Chuck Missler admits he was a co-laborer with Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa for over 25 years, it’s in his bio on every site Chuck admits to running. Some would have you to believe Chuck Missler and Chuck Smith have little to do with one another now, in spite of the obvious facts that Chuck Missler speaks at Calvary Chapels and his organization: Compass.org/Steeling the Mind propagates the same roll call of speakers at various Calvary Chapels across America and abroad. Maybe we need to see a  more recent connection. How about this:

This is from a site called “Darwin is dead” site address is:

http://www.darwinisdead.com/Creation%20Science%20Fellowship%20of%20Calvary%20Chapel.htm

“Creation Science Fellowship of Calvary Chapel meets 7:30 P.M. the first and third  Saturday of each month at 3000 West MacArthur Blvd in Santa Ana, California. The six-story LOGOS Building is located just west of Fairview Rd and MacArthur Blvd, and is adjacent to the main campus of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa.  Admission is free.  Parking is free.  We are open to the public.” Source: darwinisdead.com (not an endorsement)

If you view the page you will see that is related to CCCM and you’ll see the speakers they have.

February 12, 2011 – Special extra meeting on the 2nd Saturday of February – Chuck Missler, Ph.D. (Biblical Studies) spoke on the topic, “Cosmic Electricity: A Billion, Billion, Billion, Billion Times Stronger Than Gravity!”

Chuck Missler appears to still be close to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Chuck Missler provides CC’s with their list of “Speakers” constantly. Norman Geisler is a Jesuit trained PHD(not an endorsement of the site). Geisler has stated along the same lines of Chuck Missler that he believes UFO’s are really demonic Nephelim. Geisler wrote a couple “Covenants” in his lifetime that gained the “Speakers/Pastors” that are involved in Calvary Chapel. All of Norman Geisler’s board members are related to Calvary Chapel. Norman Geisler may be a subversive Jesuit who is begetting further Jesuits by his involvement in CC Bible College and Veritas. Chuck Missler, CNP member shares his men with CC and Geisler. They are one in the same. There is no “discernment” there are no “watchman” this is a highly designed well oiled machine. I pray you research all that I’ve presented here.

The Building where Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa holds their “Creation Science Fellowship” meetings is in the same building that Samaritan’s Purse (Franklin Graham) has an office.

Click on picture for enlarged version. I’m sure the use of Samaritan’s Purse and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa has nothing to do with each other. Just like Skip Heitzig and Greg Laurie being on the Billy Graham Evangelical Association board has nothing to do with Calvary Chapel. I’m sure Arnold Frauchtenbaum’s attendance and signature of Lausanne Covenant (LCJE- Lausanne Consultation of Jewish Evangelicalism run by Billy Graham) has nothing to do with anything either. The Lausanne Covenant is part of the United Nations and World Council of Churches, but that has nothing to do with a one-world-apostate-ecumenical-interdenominational-false church. Billy Graham’s Masonic ties and work with the Vatican has nothing to do with Veritas, Calvary Chapel Bible College, shared board members, man issued and signed covenants. I’m sure it’s all nothing.

You will not find a “Discernment” ministry that has anything to do with book deals or conference speakers related to Calvary Chapel truly exposing what is going on within Calvary Chapel. Do not expect any “Researcher” or “Speaker” who shows up at a Calvary Chapel to tell you who is on whose board or who is on the “pass go” list. Some discernment sites and “speakers” may give the appearance of warning about Calvary Chapel’s heresy but they may be playing you for a fool to keep you preoccupied with some exposure while they are busy covering up for their friends.

jesuits beget jesuits

Iran. War. Christian.

Iran.

Today’s news:

In a demonstration likely designed to intimidate the US and Israel, Iran test fired two missiles as part of a 10-day military exercise on Monday.

With these missiles, Iran could target regional US bases. The military display was also designed to demonstrate Iran’s ability to close of the Strait of Hormuz, through which 20 percent of the world’s oil passes.

As speculation intensifies that the US and Israel are conducting a covert war against Iran, and the West is threatening to impose further sanctions, the Islamic Republic has said it is enhancing its defenses. (Jan.2,2012).

In December there were oil problems. OPEC was scheduled to meet December 14th and prior to this meeting there was already an apparent “build-up” of American forces in the Straight of Hormuz. Why, because the US was anticipating a new round of sanctions on Iran. The US was also aware that Iran was pushing to get OPEC to take advantage of Libya’s return to the oil market following its share of problems (Revolution concocted by CIA, NATO, et.al). During the “Revolution” Saudi Arabia increased its output and stood to make some hefty fiat over the situation. Now that Iran is asking OPEC to include Libyan sweet crude once again, guess who stands to loose fiat? Yes, American interest, Saudi Arabia. Iraq also, a third largest producer of oil also upped their oil output during the Libyan debacle. Of course we know that Iraq is totally independent and is no way led by any other governments outside their own democratically “elected” officials. o_O (Information source Bloomberg)

War.

With Libya now “Free” and Iraq now “Stable” it appears that the growing consensus is that to keep the American public distracted with our impending mega-economic  collapse is another war. War is Peace. War is profitable. There has been a long ongoing complex series of foundation laying to justify going to war with Iran. Some saw Iraq as an “opportunity” to proxy war with Iran, which it was as I was told by Iraqi’s who left Iraq early and confirmed this was going on. The idea of “Christian America” fighting “Evil Muslim Iran” has been played out across “Evangelical” Churches for years. YEARS. I can recall a silly book written by John Hagee in which he declared Iran would be Nuclear Weapon ready within months to 3 years of the publication of his book! (Jerusalem Countdown 1, later he had to amend some of his false prophesies in Jerusalem Countdown 2; I’m waiting for it to show up at the Dollar Tree-not). Let’s not forget all the Christian Apologetics, Prophesy conferences, Joel Rosenberg, and everyone else looking to sell a book, DVD, or fill a conference room has been telling Christians that Iran will nuke Israel because of Ezekiel 38 & 39!! Is that what the scripture really says? Can you please review it: Ezekiel 38 & 39. Spend some time thinking about how many times Christian ministries throw in the impending doom of Iran and their Nuclear arsenal. And if the Bible is correct that Gog will attack Israel, is it not also true that GOD will protect the land of Israel?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD. ~Ezekiel 38:18-23

Christian.

Who protects Israel in the event of Ezekiel 38?

1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

2And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken. ~ Ezekiel 39:1-8

Odd, I didn’t see the United States in that passage, or NATO, or a conglomerate of countries having to come to the aid of Israel. I’m not against supporting Israel. I’m against a preemptive attack on Iran that will cause them to do something to the US or our servicemen and women in the Straight of Hormuz. Maybe the evil corrupt groups within the US that are running things want us to do such a preemptive strike to cause the ensuing fallout? What? Yeah, maybe the real evil ones want to unleash a war on Christians and the only way to do it is to light the fuse in the direction of Muslim retaliation against a primed and angry Christian “Army” who have been long told there’s a coming war with Iran. Maybe, or I just have had too much coffee this morning.

Apostasy, Apocalypse, and A New Year

Apostasy.

So far this year the falling away seems to be in full swing and leaving no one “Left Behind.” Every denomination and Non-Denomination ‘Denomination’ has had its fair share of truly demonic forces at work. The sheep are highly desensitized, they are conditioned, groomed, primed for the rise of Anti-Christ. Pastors and leaders, authors and “Discernment” types have lead the sheep into a trap of not being able to recognize salt and light or a semblance of what true Biblical Doctrine is. This year has been a year of unheeded warnings and can only lead to further delusion. While you are ushered into your latest “Prophesy Conference” and asked to pass on secular produced DVD’s on the End Days but told to refrain from using Christian ‘buzz’ words I want you to merely stop and ask yourself if anything they are telling you is truly of the mind of Christ (scroll down to read section in Green highlight). Simply testing what the bible scholars, pastors, and “Discernment” ministries are force feeding you will be the first step in the recovery of the indwelling and use of the Holy Spirit in your life. If you are truly born again, called by the Lord, I think it is not too much for God to show you the truth. This site has many “news” type articles that have to do with the world, and there are exhortations and exposes, however all the while I beg and plead with you, the reader, to do your own research; to test the spirits, and to read the Word of God. Trust in the Lord your God.

1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of  Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of  the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a  deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.~2 Thess. 2:1-12

Apocalypse.

2012 is not the End of the World. Why Pastor’s are not screaming this from the rooftops is beside me. Instead I’ve seen books coming out of “Christendom” that try to capitalize on the false prophesy of the Mayan Calendar. Bible scholar$, theologian$, researcher$, discernment speaker$, “Pastor$,” have been putting their names on books that try to morph Christian Bible Prophesy with Paganism. I expect no less from the secular world but seriously, Church, wake up! When you see a photo of a Mayan temple as the backdrop for your “Leader’s” latest sermon on 2012 or New Years or Prophesy you should turn around and run!

The Lord has answered what the signs will be at the end and of His return, no need to buy any other book.

Mark 13

1And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!  2And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.  3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,  4Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?  5And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:  6For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.  7And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.  8For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.  9But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.  10And the gospel must first be published among all nations.  11But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.  12Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.  13And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.  14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:  15And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:  16And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.  17But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!  18And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.  19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.  20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.  21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:  22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.  23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.  24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,  25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.  26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.  27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.  28Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:  29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.  30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.  31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.  33Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.  34For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.  35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cock crowing, or in the morning:  36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.  37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

A New Year.

The new year is upon us and many would love to put this past year behind us. There is something to said about reflecting on the year gone by, if not for any other reason than to remember lessons learned and not go forward in ignorance. I love Philippians 3:13-16, it’s a great set of verses to get a perspective on looking ahead, however it is sandwiched in between a great warning and a stern exhortation; for this reason I will put the entire chapter:

1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you.

2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision; 3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, 4 although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.

7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you; 16 however, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained.

17 Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. 18 For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. 20For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.