Christian Snobbery, Why some Christians are better than others

I must apologize straightaway. I am not a theologian, I’m not an expert in Doctrines, I am certainly not claiming to “teach” anyone scripture or interpretation on this blog. I’m Saved, Regenerate, Born Again, and sold out to my Lord Jesus Christ. I know who I was, I know I was destined for hell in my sin and for some reason Christ sought me, He called me (more than once because I didn’t accept the first time I heard the gospel) and I finally humbly and full hearted accepted Him as my Savior and my Lord. I don’t fit in any mold of denominations. I’m not anything; I’m not a Baptist, I’m not Evangelical, I’m not a member of any Church. I know what I’m opposed to and I’m still a willing vessel to learn and know my God, the Father, and His son, My Savior Jesus Christ through His Holy Spirit. Now apologies set aside for knowing little about “learned theology” I have some observations and some questions for you-the body of Christ.

The Apocrypha

What I know about this topic is that the Apocrypha is a set of uncannonized books that are not included in the Bible that I have at home. I always had some understanding that the “Apocrypha” was for Catholics. I’m not a Catholic. I figured that because it’s not in the Bible and “uncannonized” that it is not God’s Word and thus I’ve never read it. Recently, perhaps in the last five years, it appears that more and more “Christians” are reading the Apocrypha and are claiming to have a more well rounded astute understanding of Theology because of it. That or they are as lost as I was when I tried to read it and then they just say they’re better than me because they read more and understood less!

Here’s an explanation by another blogger since I lack any intelligent response here:

The Apocrypha is a collection of uninspired, spurious books written by various individuals. The Catholic religion considers these books as scripture just like a Bible-believer believes that our 66 books are the word of God, i.e., Genesis to Revelation. We are going to examine some verses from the Apocrypha later in our discussion.

At the Council of Trent (1546) the Roman Catholic institution pronounced the following apocryphal books sacred. They asserted that the apocryphal books together with unwritten tradition are of God and are to be received and venerated as the Word of God. So now you have the Bible, the Apocrypha and Catholic Tradition as co-equal sources of truth for the Catholic. In reality, the Bible is the last source of truth for Catholics. Roman Catholic doctrine comes primarily from tradition stuck together with a few Bible names. In my reading of Catholic materials, I find notes like this: “You have to keep the Bible in perspective.” Catholics have been deceived into not believing that the Bible is God’s complete revelation for man [but they can come out of these deceptions in an instant if they will only believe the Bible as it is written].

The Roman Catholic Apocrypha Tobit
Judith
Wisdom
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch
First and Second Maccabees
Additions to Esther and Daniel

Apocryphal Books rejected by the Catholic Religion:

First and Second Esdras
Prayer of Manasses
Susanna*

*A reader says: “Susanna is in the Roman Catholic canon. It is Daniel 13.”

Why the Apocrypha Isn’t in the Bible.

1. Not one of the apocryphal books is written in the Hebrew language which was used in the Old Testament. All Apocryphal books are in Greek, except one which is extant only in Latin.
2. None of the apocryphal writers laid claim to inspiration.
3. The apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
4. The apocryphal books were not permitted among the sacred books during the first four centuries of the real Christian church (I’m certainly not talking about the Catholic religion which is not Christian).
5. The Apocrypha contains fabulous statements which not only contradict the “canonical” scriptures but themselves. For example, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in three different places.
6. The Apocrypha includes doctrines in variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection. The following verses are taken from the Apocrypha translation by Ronald Knox dated 1954:Basis for the doctrine of purgatory:
   

   2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering…Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.

   Salvation by works:

   Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin.

   Magic:

   Tobit 6:5-8, If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish…and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.

   Mary was born sinless (immaculate conception):

   Wisdom 8:19-20, And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled.

7. It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.
8. No apocryphal book is referred to in the New Testament whereas the Old Testament is referred to hundreds of times.
9. Because of these and other reasons, the apocryphal books are only valuable as ancient documents illustrative of the manners, language, opinions and history of the East. (End of Source: Click here for the rest of the topic/link is not an endorsement)

(N4TM Commentary)

If you’re wondering, “What does the Apocrypha have to do with anything,” let me clue you in. Some people use buzz words like, “Church Fathers” and “Early Christianity,” and what they mean is now they are reading the Apocrypha and other Catholic reading material to sound like they are more versed and have a greater knowledge of the Word of God because of it. You may have heard of the “Emergent” movement but it really means nothing unless you understand that what they are really doing is trying to discover God through other means and other readings beside the Bible. These people still have a heart for God and want to be Christians who know Christ, but they get caught up in the “Zen” of the matter. They want to be trendy, they want to have that gnostic knowledge that is not dished out on a happy Sunday morning sermon. So they go the way of the “Christian Rebel” and read books that have been “banned” for a lack of a better word by the Protestant church. These people seem more confused than anything and less knowledgeable in my own opinion. These “experts” you listen to, they have read these extra-biblical books, they may not tell you, but you hear them quoting it often you just don’t pay attention. It’s not just the Apocrypha either, the newest and latest coolness factor is reading Jewish extra biblical writings.

The Book of Enoch

The Book of Enoch (also 1 Enoch^[1]) is an ancient Jewish religious work, traditionally ascribed to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah. It is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel. It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and Eritrean Orthodox Church, but no other Christian group.

The older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) are estimated to date from about 300 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BC.^[2]

It is wholly extant only in the Ge’ez language, with Aramaic fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls and a few Greek and Latin fragments. For this and other reasons, the traditional Ethiopian view is that the original language of the work was Ge’ez, whereas non-Ethiopian scholars tend to assert that it was first written in either Aramaic or Hebrew; E. Isaac suggests that the Book of Enoch, like the Book of Daniel, was composed partially in Aramaic and partially in Hebrew.^[3]:6

A short section of 1 Enoch (1 En 1:9) is quoted in the New Testament (Letter of Jude 1:14–15), and is there attributed to “Enoch the Seventh from Adam” (1 En 60:8). It is argued that all the writers of the New Testament were familiar with it and were influenced by it in thought and diction.^[4]

The first part of the Book of Enoch describes the fall of the Watchers, the angels who fathered the Nephilim. The remainder of the book describes Enoch’s visits to heaven in the form of travels, visions and dreams, and his revelations.

The book consists of five quite distinct major sections (see each section for details):

• The Book of the Watchers (1 Enoch 1 – 36)
• The Book of Parables of Enoch (1 Enoch 37 – 71) (Also called the Similitudes of Enoch)
• The Astronomical Book (1 Enoch 72 – 82) (Also called the Book of the Heavenly Luminaries or Book of Luminaries)
• The Book of Dream Visions (1 Enoch 83 – 90) (Also called the Book of Dreams)
• The Epistle of Enoch (1 Enoch 91 – 108)

Most scholars share the view^[5] that these five sections were originally independent works (with different dates of composition), themselves a product of much editorial arrangement, and were only later redacted into what we now call 1 Enoch.

Józef Milik has suggested that the Book of Giants found among the Dead Sea Scrolls should be part of the collection, appearing after the Book of Watchers in place of the Book of Parables, but for various reasons, Milik’s theory has not been widely accepted.

Judaism

Although evidently widely known at the time of the Development of the Hebrew Bible canon, 1 Enoch was excluded from both the formal canon of the Tanakh and the typical canon of the Septuagint and therefore, also the writings known today as the Deuterocanon.^[6][7] One possible reason for Jewish rejection of the book might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah; for example, 1 En 1 is a midrash of Deuteronomy 33.^[8][9] The content, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be a reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period – as illustrated by the comments of Trypho the Jew when debating with Justin Martyr on this subject. Trypho: “The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God.” (Dialogue 79) (END OF QUOTE: SOURCE WIKIPEDIA)

(N4TM)

The book of Enoch is very popular right now. I guess it has been historically important when false teachers desire to deceive the body of Christ, so it’s not just popular now. This book is quoted often by “Teachers” and “Experts” in “discerning Jesus’ intelligence briefing to his disciples of what to expect during the last days.” My contention is the experts who use this book as their source often play around in coded messages and don’t flat out tell their “followers” that they are using the Book of Enoch and the Apocrypha and Jewish mysticism to feed the undiscerning their theories. Why, if it takes such a genius to read these extra biblical books, are the teachers and experts not more forth coming with where they are getting their interpretations and knowledge? I had never heard of Gemetria or Kabalah until one particular “Christian Bible Teacher” mentioned it as a “warning.” When I heard it referenced and quoted repeatedly in the context as a source and not as a warning I began to think, this is how the “expert” got his knowledge, maybe I should get into this stuff so I can “discern” and understand the Last Days better! I thought it was a brilliant idea (at the time). It only lead to more confusion.

Perhaps I am meant to be elementary. Maybe all I can aspire to is a 6th grade understanding of the Scriptures and the Doctrines that saved my life. Maybe all that time I was raised believing that UFO’s were not real was a lie and there are truly Aliens (disguised Demons); and others who have degrees and military intelligence sources are better than me. I am a nobody, no one important, just a dumb ole sheep who can’t understand the truths in the Apocrypha and Deuterocanon. I’m a doomed soul who will never know a truth greater than God sending His only begotten Son into the World, perfect, unblemished, God incarnate, to die a brutal death for my sins, to atone for me who had yet to be born, and as a result of my belief in Him and what He has done I have been forgiven of my sins and saved from hell. I mean that sounds like small potatoes compared to knowing ‘M theory,’ portals,  hyper-dimensions, and how numbers mean stuff in the bible (numerology/Gemetria). I could be one of those Überman (woman) if I could only get through more than a chapter of Nietzsche. I could jump through cognitive loop holes in the polar polymeric monoliths if only I could project my soul out of my body but lo I can’t (nor do I have a desire to) and I’m not as good of a Christian as those that can. I’m definitely not as smart as them that can do such things.

I think I’ll wear my ignorance button with pride than if all I will ever be able to understand is: God is and forever will be, that’s good enough for me.

I am fully capable of researching and reading. I do not need nor am I asking for an explanation of Apocrypha/The Book of Enoch, or any other extra biblical teachings. I am resourceful and can do my own digging. My question to you dear brethren is, “Why do Christians believe they are better than other Christians because they indulge their fantasies in extra biblical teachings?” I was a Philosophy minor at one time, a Psychology major at another time. I’m not willfully ignorant of these extra biblical teachings, I am cognizant of them. Some false teachings I am better at discerning than others; however, the purpose is always the same in every case: Get the Christian away from Christ, away from the true Word of God and keep them busy and misguided. The results of deception are: a useless and not so powerful Christian. I’m not better than a theologian or a seminary grad, nor are they better than myself. We will not be judged by how many bible classes we took. There’s enough reason to be aware of these teachings if only to discern when you’re being taught false doctrine and given false prophecies based on writings and interpretations of teachings that are not Biblical- Divinely inspired. Time is short, just based on life expectancy, not to mention the situations going on around us. This case of Christian snobbery reminds me of a pair of brothers who wanted to be seated at the right and left hand of Jesus… (Matthew 20:20-28)

20 Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Jesus with her sons, bowing down and making a request of Him. 21 And He said to her, “What do you wish?” She said to Him, “Command that in Your kingdom these two sons of mine may sit one on Your right and one on Your left.” 22 But Jesus answered, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They said to Him, “We are able.” 23 He said to them, “My cup you shall drink; but to sit on My right and on My left, this is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.”
24 And hearing this, the ten became indignant with the two brothers. 25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. 26 “It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave; 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

David Barton Rewriter of History Now has his own Bible!

I came across a tweet today and the link was to this very well written expose about David Barton, “Confirmed: David Barton’s Founders’ Bible Cites Pro-Slavery James Hammond as Proponent of America as Christian Nation,” By Warren Throckmorton. The link is not an endorsement. It was refreshing to see someone else warning about Barton’s blatant rewrite of history and now his addition of adding a Pro-Slavery non-believer to a “Bible” just seemed apropos for Barton’s next phase.

David Barton is a known and exposed False teacher. He is one of the biggest cons to surface in recent years. Barton is backed by Calvary Chapel, Chuck Missler, Glenn Beck, John Hagee, just to name a few other false teachers.

I can only pray that my brothers and sisters in the Lord would cease from their ear tickling long enough, step away from lifting up America as an idol of worship, and return to the True Word of God for direction in all things. The simple fact that there is an audience and a market for David Barton, Missler, Beck, et. al is sad, however it is a fulfillment of prophecy, the great falling away is apparent. Cling to the Words of Jesus and not some charlatan who’s out to make a buck and a name for himself.

http://thefoundersbible.com/ (Absolutely NOT an endorsement)

http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-warren-throckmorton/new-founders-bible-rewrites-exodus-18.html

Worse Than The Patriot’s Bible: David Barton’s The Founders’ Bible (not an endorsement of the site- no link ever is) “Three years ago, it was the The Patriot’s Bible oh that just so happened to be printed with the rise of the Tea Party. Now, just in time for the 2012 elections, we have the The Founders’ Bible brought to us by the same people who gave us William P. Young’s The Shack.” End of Quote.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/david-barton

Barton is not the only one who’s written his own version of the Bible or published a Bible Commentary book to promote his own twisted interpretation of the Scripture. Another Pastor, Rick Warren wrote one for Barack Obama called the Poverty and Justice Bible. It was promoted by the likes of Tony Campolo and Bono. Same hat trick, different mad hatter.

Why They Do Not Warn- part 1 Chuck Smith and Tim LaHaye Connection

Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees

“Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, ² saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. ³ Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. ⁴ For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. ⁵ But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. ⁶ They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, ⁷ greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ ⁸ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. ⁹ Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. ¹⁰ And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. ¹¹ But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. ¹² And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” Matt.23:1-12

The last time I addressed a post with Matthew 23 was with my article “Woe” in September 2009. I had wrestled with whether or not to post anything about the Harvest Crusade that had just transpired in August 2009 where Rick Warren (America’s favorite Pastor/and all time heretic) had appeared on stage with Chuck Smith (Calvary Chapel’s Founder and Mega Pastor that transformed the hippies back into yuppies). I waited at that time to see if any of the “Discernment” ministries would address the issue, after all it was them who had warned me about Rick Warren and all his evilness. Where were the flocks of “Watchmen” who were supposed to hold up the mirror to Chuck Smith and say, “Why did you do that, “brother?”" There were “experts” on Emergent church infiltration who had linked Rick Warren’s mega church Seeker driven management style to the likes of C.Peter Wagner and Bill Hybels and the list went on and on, Rick Warren is a “Globalist,” so I heard from these speakers and authors who traveled the globe, yet found time to come to the local Calvary Chapel and sell their books and Cd’s. All the men were silent and the women as well. So, although I knew only ten people might even read my blog at the time I would have to say something because I had sent out warnings about Rick Warren too, I had passed along much of the information I had gathered from those “Discernment” ministries, and I too had been known to say, “I will lift up no one above my God, principal before personalities…” And I wrote my article, “Woe.” Some came, many more than I had anticipated came to read, some objected and chastised me, some even condemned me for “attacking” “God’s anointed.” But the folks who had seen the hand writing on the wall were appreciative, and I got many messages of confirmation and solidarity when they shared their own experiences at being hushed up, pushed out, and black listed for trying to sound their own warnings in their own way at their own Calvary Chapels.

An Apology

This is an apology, not to address anything I’ve said in the past, but failure for not being more discerning then as I feel I am now. When Rick Warren appeared “on stage” with Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith, it wasn’t a shock so much as it was confirmation of the long history they’ve shared and suspicions that there was a close working relationship between them. They finally had displayed outwardly what many had suspicions of inwardly for a long time. What I am about to disclose in the series of posts that follow is information I’ve had for maybe a few weeks, some information again that simply needed confirmation to suspicions, but for the most part none of what I’m going to share has been hidden from view. Often times these types of double minded people do things in plain view, it’s a joke to them, to keep everyone’s eyes preoccupied on the ‘right’ hand so we don’t see what they are doing with their ‘left’ hand, but both are always moving and both always working together. My apology is, “I’m sorry I didn’t see all this sooner and could have warned you of more earlier, but this is what I have found. I don’t want to harm my brethren by not sharing what I have. Other “ministries” I believe have known of this and probably know much more than I do since they’ve been around for much longer, but many of them are a part of this “Network” and have made the choice to suppress information. I am not a part of any “Discernment Ministry.” I’m not working for anyone. I don’t know these people personally and what I am about to share is not a “personal” attack on any one person individually but it is highly suspect that these people who make a living off of “warning” you of false shepherds and false prophets have failed significantly; in this respect their failure to truly warn leads me to believe their failure is not accidental.

“Breaking News”

In 2009 while most of us (including myself) were distracted and appalled (or not) by Chuck Smith embracing Rick Warren, “a friend,” on stage at Harvest 2009 in August; we missed what happened in November 2009. Although this is going back, it’s breaking News to me, and may or may not mean something significant to you. For my first part of the series I will provide information that CNP’s Founder and Moonie supporter, Timothy LaHaye, has had an extensive and long career with Calvary Chapel, so much so that in 2009 the Founder of Calvary Chapel appeared at Tim LaHaye’s Pre-Trib Study Group Conference.

Click on picture to enlarge. Some of you may still think of Tim LaHaye as, “just the guy who wrote Left Behind,” but he’s more than that and his empire wasn’t built overnight.

I don’t want this first post to turn into who Tim LaHaye is, he’s been exposed for years and there is a plethora of information to be found out about him on line. I will not reinvent the wheel here, but I will share more about what I found regarding Tim’s friends.

Birds of a feather…flock together

Most of us who’ve tried to research Tim LaHaye know that it’s near impossible to find a complete and current list of his CNP members. LaHaye’s secrecy is not limited to CNP, he seems to be very selective about his level of transparency. It’s always offensive to me that these “men of God” refuse to be 100% transparent with their associations and with their finances. When asking myself, “Why don’t they (all discernment ministries you may believe are credible right now) warn?” The answer wasn’t hard to find once I saw this:

click on image to enlarge.

The image is a screen shot ‘of’ the member list in 2003, which is as far back as I could see on the website. You can search for yourself through the years of the members list at this site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040405044332/http://www.pre-trib.org/about-members.php

Just know that on today’s website for Pre-Trib Research Center there is not a “Members list,” and now that I’ve drawn attention to it here the archive may not be around too long either.

Look closely at the names. While you are reviewing the list, think of who that particular person shares their ministry with, whom they speak alongside, books they promote, and who they warn you of, and whom they NEVER touch.

Some people may say, “Just because they are on this list means nothing,” “you can’t lump them all together!” To them I say this; when I received the newsletters, and the warnings in years past written by those on this list, they presented their material in like manner. I recall all the links and associations they made between Pagitt, Driscoll, Hybels, and McLaren, and then reported it as a vast conspiracy of Emergent Church infiltrating the Evangelical non-denominational “Bible believing” churches. The same method of association and working together on projects is exactly what I am employing here. Does the method always apply? Can one assume that because, let’s pick a name randomly from the list above…Mr.Bill Perkins, Bill Perkins of Compass International is on this list; he employes many of the same speakers on this list, he has had an extensive career writing for Chuck Missler at Koinonia House, and using Missler and others on the Steeling the Mind Conferences. Is it possible that Perkins, Missler, and Tim LaHaye have connections to one another that prohibit them from exposing one another when they find out that their “brother” is not behaving in a godly manner? Have you ever read an exposition by Missler on Tim LaHaye and his Moonie money? Have you ever read a Berean Call letter from Dave Hunt on Chuck Missler’s connection to William Welty the New Ager who’s Missler’s associate over at SwanSat? Have you read the latest book by Terry James where he goes into detail about the Religious Right’s Conservative political ties to infiltrate and sway the body of Christ to constantly approve of wars under the guise of “Conservatism and Americana Propaganda?” When was the last time Jimmy DeYoung, Brannon Howse’s dear friend, ever exposed Chuck Missler? Remember that time Thomas Ice exposed Norman Geisler’s teaching of Thomas Aqains? Oh, that’s right that never happened. Well, there was that time when Mark Hitchcock exposed Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s links to the Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism, oh oops, that never happened either.

Bedfellows of Tim LaHaye

Chuck Smith wasn’t the only shocking “guest” over at the Pre-Trib Study Group Conference that I found. Click on the thumbnails to enlarge:

For me, the information I gathered on those who speak and share the stage with Tim LaHaye is exactly, “Why They Do Not Warn,” about Tim LaHaye.

Why They Do Not Warn Part 2 click below:

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/why-they-do-not-warn-part-2-lonnie-frisbee/

David Hocking, Chuck Missler, Dave Hunt, Mike Gendron, Jimmy DeYoung, all those named above who participate with Tim LaHaye, none of them are going to Expose Tim LaHaye’s connection to Rev. Moon, or tell you about the secretive Council for National Policy, that is ecumenical, and buys off people in other countries, part of the dispose of one tyrant for another tyrant that the US can control modality. Click on the thumbnails…

The Network: Discernment/Deception Broad is the way

I must preface this piece with a disclaimer and a warning; first of all I must let you know that any discernment group or organization mentioned hereafter is not being attacked personally. I am not here to make enemies, I am here to call into question affiliations and discrepancies as I see them and obviously I do not expect any in the aforementioned to respond or give an account to me, you could say the questions are rhetorical in nature and are meant to elicit critical thinking in the reader if nothing else at all is accomplished. Second, a warning to those who are attempting to instigate or lure me out, I do not count myself worthy of such attention but if you should be trolling around seeking to devour and lay blame at my feet for exposing conspiracies that no one in the “Networks” would ever expose than truly you’re wasting your time. I do not write for anyone, I am not part of any organized group of “discernment” ministry, I do not have a P.O. Box and various ghost sites soliciting money for fake “ministries.” I do not travel the world or speak throughout the country and thus have no need of “love offerings.” I have no “fan” base, I have nothing but time and prerogative and if I see something I’m going to say something, isn’t that what “The State” wants anyway? I understand controlled opposition. I understand the modus operandi of those who elicit even those of us who are unconnected to the game and try to wield us like puppets. Since I am aware of some of the controlled opposition’s tactics I exert the right to start and stop, gain reflection, seek God’s guidance in all things, and above all; live my life to the best of my ability applying God’s grace and affection toward me, a wretch, who has been given a gift of eternal life through Christ Jesus.

The Network: A lily pad?

I have been looking back recently; researching old connections amongst the brethren, trying to ascertain how far back they go and also to find lost pieces of history that often get buried on the ‘internet’ because history is often being rewritten. This morning I found an old site called (Irvinellis)Tri-pod.com, this site is called “End Times Journal” on it’s face page. It’s director is Irvin W. Ellis, he’s Canadian. This old out dated unattended (ghost) site is said to have begun in 1999 and appears to have had active journals through 2001/3 but has nothing new on it. It also says it is an extension of Understand The Times (UTT) a ministry of Roger Oakland.

“A few days ago while I was thinking about deception, an illustration I once heard came to my remembrance. Every “lily pond” begins with a single “lily pad.” The first leaf that appears on the pond usually is quite inconspicuous. This single original “mother pad” divides and becomes two. The two pads then divide to become four, the four become eight, the eight divide to become sixteen, and the process continues until eventually the entire pond is covered. The point that is being made here is quite simple. Notice before the very last division of the lily pads, the pond is only half covered. The single pad that was once inconspicuous has now become much more significant. As we can see, the process of covering the pond did not happen at a linear rate. The pond was covered by a process we call a geometric progression. The paradigm shift that has taken place within Christianity over the past several decades has occurred in the same way that lily pads cover a pond.” Roger Oakland- “What’s happening in the Church Today, End Times Journal 1999 vol.1 No.1” (site used as reference not an endorsement)

He was meditating on “deception,” and allegorically applied the lily pond, infected as it were, by one lily pad. There are key words in this small excerpt that stand out to me as well as questions. My first question would be, Where and/or whom did you hear the illustration of a lily pad, is this a common mathematical allegory or was this an implanted memory? Second sentence, the first leaf of the lily pad is “often inconspicuous?” Really, is this an assertion or an opinion? If we stay with the theme of using the lily pad scenario and apply it to spiritual matters, is this “mother pad” (sentence three) the Roman Catholic Church? How inconspicuous is the RCC? Truly the first leaf would be Mystery Babylon, the epicenter of all abhorrent pagan religions, correct? The “mother pad” divides into two, maybe that is where we see Babylon and Rome? The two become four, could we be jumping ahead to Greece, Alexander the great? See the Book of Daniel. The following keeps multiplying however Oakland uses the term “dividing.” Maybe I’m a total ingoramous in math, but we’ll leave the math to the smart people. The pond is covered by a “process we call a geometric progression,” who is “we” in this statement? Is the ‘we’ a reference to people in general who all know about Geometric Progression or those who are purposely blanketing the church with deception, or the ones who are assisting in this article? Lots of questions when I see someone referring to ‘we’ in an article that is supposedly written by one single person. (1+1 (n)= we) Last sentence in this excerpt, “The paradigm shift” that has taken place within Christianity over the past several decades has occurred in the same way…” Ok, first off the use of “Paradigm shift” is alerting, I guess to Roger Oakland who had at this point already done extensive study in terminology of New Agers is not bemused by throwing this lingo in whenever it suits, but for me it struck a chord. Then the term, “within” Christianity is mentioned, this to me indicates that he knows there’s a deception taking place “within” the body and it’s purposeful not an accident, not undetermined in its goal, but mathematically evident and while the church is Dividing, the deception is able to multiply.  Keep in mind this article was written in 1999 (so we are told). Prior to this article, in 1997, another collaborative effort was made via Reel Productions.

Another Piece of the Network

A movie entitled, Countdown to Eternity, directed by Jim Tetlow, staring: Chuck Smith, Dave Hunt, Chuck Missler, Roger Oakland and Bill Gallatin was made in 1997, produced by Eternal Productions founder Jim Tetlow head of Harpazo Network (the Harpazo Network has mysteriously disappeared, or been Harpazo’d, I wonder if Missler was involved?). The boys club put together this highly ‘factual’ account of the impending doom of our last days based on the current hysteria and calamity that was befalling the late 1990′s. I’ve watched the first half of this film, via YouTube, and it’s telling that the script hasn’t diverged much since the inception. The crux of the message has maintained its initial steam and that is; to use the headlines of the day, “to apply” them to Scripture, and use them to illustrate that we are in the Last Days. You could justly stop me here and say, “Isn’t that what N4TM claims to do?” Granted, I learned from the best, I was a dubious follower of many of these people I’m now exposing. I was once receiving newsletters from: Missler, strategic trends alerts, UTT, LHT, Prophecy News Watch, Moriel Be Alert, Worldview Weekend Alerts,  and I’m sure others I can’t think of at the moment because it’s been so long since I’ve been a subscriber to anyone! Now rather than try to “apply” the headlines and see how they apply to scripture I am trying to provide information, discern information, and not be blinded and brainwashed by the spin doctors both in and out of the church, but -I digress. As I watched Roger Oakland and Chuck Smith assert with such conviction that the depletion of the ozone layer and the resulting increase in Skin Cancer was proof positive that Revelation 16:8-10 was coming to pass through this tangible means I couldn’t help but realize three things, (1) they really believe what they are saying (at the time), (2) they continue to blindly state the obvious and convolute it to scripture today, and (3) they truly corrupted the scriptures to illustrate Ozone Layer Depletion + Skin Sores = Last Days. Here we are back to simple math, it’s where I’m best so I will stick to basic arithmetic. The portion of scripture being referenced are the fourth and fifth bowl judgments. Correct me here if I am wrong but these bowls follow the revelation of Anti-Christ, the worship of the Beast, the mark of the beast being taken and conversely according to All those involved in this video who believe that the Rapture has already occurred, why or how could skin cancer be a mark of the Last Days especially since the whole church is still left on the planet to see these bowl judgments they are referencing to use that we are in the last days (circa 1997)!? Do you see the logic? The simple math does not add up, or rather it does, its summation is this; these men are either fool hearted and are so in love with the Lord that they cannot discern that they are twisting scripture because they desire so desperately for Christ’s return, or they know exactly what they are doing, what they are saying, are being told by the first leaf (mother pad) on what to say and throughout the years have done little in terms of changing their false prophecies and false statements other than applying ‘Current’ news events to match their flawed reasoning of the last days. I found this also, I am not sure if this has anything to do with the video Countdown to Eternity 1997, but it’s a book of the same exact title co-authored by Chuck Missler and Woody Young; Countdown to Eternity, 1992. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the video, especially since the book illustration looks exactly like the original film version cover art and Chuck Missler is also in the video, I’m positive it’s coincidence. (see below for pics)

*Jim Tetlow, director/producer/founder of Eternal Productions has also produced other videos staring Roger Oakland: Queen of All and Messages from Heaven. Here is a site that still mentions the Harpazo Network and Jim Tetlow, however the Harpazo.net has been harpazo’d from the internet. (Links NOT an endorsement-as always)

False Assertions via Current DVD’s continue

By looking back one can determine that what we see now at present day is newly gift wrapped old claims and false prophecies in HD format. If you thought the Network stopped making movies in 1997 you’d be dead wrong. Remember the Left Behind series? There are untold tentacles in the production world that pump out sensationalist movies that the END IS NEAR and it doesn’t take much investigating to find them. For instance, I started with Countdown to Eternity, look at the production company from that initial movie, it leads you to new ghost sites, then look at other movies (Docudrama’s they are called in some circles) and look at the production companies there, check out the directors, the “actors” or “expert speakers,” and see what you will find, a vast network of organized minions working around the clock disseminating falsities. Caryl Matrisciana is another member of the Network. She and her husband have been around for decades. Caryl’s husband Pat Matrisciana has been playing all sides of the game. He is a producer of film both secular and non-secular. Pat has ties to CIA and other notorious elk like Tim LaHaye. It is no wonder that Caryl is in the same business as her husband. She is supposedly a ‘former’ cult follower of yoga. I state supposed because when someone’s early years are not recorded and we are simply told this information and expected to believe it in my opinion it is questionable. Caryl Matrisciana co-authored Roger Oakland’s book, “The Evolution Conspiracy,” 1991(forward by Hal Lindsay). Caryl and Pat Matrisciana (Jeremiah Films) have been dear close friends of Roger Oakland, or at minimum constant friends through the decades and have helped produce and sell his various DVD’s. Pat Matrisciana produced the film version of Evolution Conspiracy: A quantum Leap into the New Age in 1988. Caryl and Roger’s most recent venture being, “Wide is the Gate,” a revamped and updated (factual) account of the apostasy gripping the church and why we’re in the last days type of video. Caryl has had an interesting life, her bio speaks volumes (not an endorsement). Wide is the Gate volume 2 includes the following speakers:

ABOUT THIS DVD: 5 PARTS – 40 MINS EACH: Experts interviewed by Caryl Matrisciana for WIDE IS THE GATE VOLUME 2 include Eric Barger, Jason Carlson, Mike Gendron, Sarah Leslie, Jan Markell, Tom McMahon, Johanna Michaelsen, Brenda Nickel, Roger Oakland, Chris Quintana, Warren Smith, Ray Yungen, Paul Wilkinson and others.

Nothing Personal (referring to disclaimer and warning in preface)

Notice all the names of experts and how often you will see them endorsing one another, sharing pulpits and conferences, selling each others books, DVD’s, etc. This is a Network my friends that goes deep and wide, “Broad is the way,” and this is the main reason you will never see them truly exposing one another. This is not even the tip of the iceberg. If the Network exists start to ask yourself some key questions. Do the research and see if these people are or are not truly interwoven with one another. Whether or not some started out for the good and were turned is not the point if they are in fact turned already, because they truly have to know that they are working for someone/thing and ultimately when Mammon is behind much of the motivation how can the perpetuity of truth really be claimed?

This post was inspired by the new version of history, Let there be Light, because there was once an original book, Let there be Light, Roger Oakland and Dan Wooding 1993 (with forward by Chuck Smith).
Now you have to find out who Dan Wooding is…

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Christian, Beware of BECK.

Glenn Beck’s Divine Destiny: Frequently Asked Questions

August 11, 2010 – 2:57 ET

What is the event?
Glenn Beck’s Divine Destiny is an eye-opening evening at the historic Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C that will help heal your soul. Guided by uplifting music, nationally-known religious figures from all faiths will unite to deliver messages reminiscent to those given during the struggles of America’s earliest days. The event will leave you with a renewed determination to look past the partisan differences and petty problems that fill our airwaves and instead focus our shared values, principles and strong belief that faith can play an essential role in reuniting the country.

When is the event?
Friday, August 27th @ 8:00PM

Where is the event?
The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
2700 F Street, NW Washington, DC 20566
Information: 800-444-1324 or 202-467-4600

Source: GlennBeck.com

David Barton of Wall Builders (Evangelical Christian Patriot) Endorses Glenn Beck to the Point that he has a Website on BlogTalkRadio dedicated to Praying for Glenn Beck. Glenn Calls up and talks to David Barton, shares scriptures, and David Barton then ‘prays over’ Glenn Beck.

Check it out here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/glennbeckprayer

Pictured: Brannon Howse Left (WorldVeiw Matters/Code Blue Rally/ World View Weekend and ‘Keep Glenn Beck’ site) with David Barton on right.

Brannon Howse is now warning people against Glenn Beck’s ‘Ecumenical’ ways, however his article of warning still half supports Glenn Beck for his staunch conservative and political mindedness.

(KeepGlennBeck.com a site Brannon Howse created to Save Glenn Beck’s Program- It was a rebuttal to Jim Wallis, however Jim Wallis is Interfaith/Social Justice and it’s looking like that’s exactly what Beck is so what’s the fighting about!?) **Update: Brannon Howse’s site FOR Glenn Beck has been removed but I found a screen shot and saved it.

Keep in mind, Brannon Howse supports David Barton and has for years. David Barton of Wall Builders is an ‘Evangelical Christian’ organization that teaches American Heritage with the focus on Christian Values and the United States ‘Christian’ beginnings.

Although there are many clips to view the whole show Beck did with Barton in March, I picked this one because just around minute 3 Beck goes into his Interfaith mode. He asserts that his round table of knights all share different faiths (note: If David Barton is Christian and Beck said they have different faiths, Glenn Beck then does NOT consider himself a CHRISTIAN…) and encourages all three men to acknowledge their need to put their ‘differences’ (Faith) aside to join to save the country.

Wow. If you’re not on Ritalin it may be hard to follow Glenn’s bunny trails, and as a recovering Glenn Beck Listener it’s still hard for me to translate his crazy into verbiage we can all understand but listen for yourself, he clearly and repeatedly asks, and demands (Proclaims) that agreement and cohesion are necessary for all faiths…to save America.

If you need more clarification; Glenn Beck is going to save America. It could be driven by his zeal to be American or it could be his cults belief that the real Zion, God’s Holy Land, is in North America. Mormonism has an eschatology too, (prophesies of end times), and theirs is quite different than that of the Bible. (Also: Understanding Mormonism)

Other Sites Mentioning This Issue:

PJMiller

Caffeinated Thoughts

Crosstalk

Apprising Ministries

News4TheMasses has Warned Before concerning Glenn Beck ~Flashback: Don’t be fooled Comrade…

Deuteronomy 13

Shun Idolatry

¹ “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,

² and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’

³ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

⁴ “You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him.

2 Corinthians 11:1-4 & 12-15

¹ I wish that you would bear with me in a little foolishness; but indeed you are bearing with me.² For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

³ But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

⁴ For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.

^V.12 But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting.

¹³ For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

¹⁴ No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

¹⁵ Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

From Obama Worship to One World Religion

BLASPHEMY!

The Law of God says..

Exodus 20:3-6

³ “You shall have no other gods before Me.

⁴ “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

⁵ “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

⁶ but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

This is not new…

Pledging to be a servant to “Barack Obama”

be the change…There’s a Shift taking place you see…”Shift” is the new hot word of this season…

Shift? Globalization…

Van Jones..

You are all gods…according to Van Jones. He’s truly not just about being ‘green’ he’s about shifting power and shifting consciousness among the masses so that everyone would realize this ‘movement’ is bigger than just going green. What is it about then Van Jones? Hear part two for the answer to that. It’s a Unifying One World Religion based on Works and serving the god of this world.

Remember he resigned. He’s more powerful now that no one can follow him then he was a the green czar.

New Age Spirituality merging with ‘Evangelical’  Christianity=

Is Bono Christian? ♦    Bill Hybels?

First 50 seconds Rick Warren says the Future of the World is “The Future of the World is NOT secularism, IT’S Religious Pluralism. You may not like that but you’re going to have to deal with it.”

Matthew 7

¹³ “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

¹⁴ “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

¹⁵ “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

¹⁶ “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

¹⁷ “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

¹⁸ “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.

¹⁹ “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

²⁰“So then, you will know them by their fruits.

²¹ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

²² “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

²³ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Faith Foundation And Globalization

“The vision and values of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation are desperately needed today when every major issue in our world is influenced for good or harm by faith factors. It would be foolish to ignore how religious conviction impacts personal and national identity, poverty and education, extremism and reconciliation, disease and development, peace and progress. In any effort to help people learn to live and work together, we must engage the vast networks, resources, wisdom, and influence of the faith communities. My friends, Tony Blair is uniquely prepared with the gifts of temperament, knowledge, experience, leadership, and global respect essential for a task this great. I honestly don’t know of anyone better suited for this challenge. It’s why I agreed to serve on the Advisory Board. The Tony Blair Faith Foundation’s potential for doing good is staggering.”

Rick Warren
Saddleback Church
Purpose Driven Network
P.E.A.C.E. Coalition

 

“InterFaith” What it is & What it isn’t…

According to Faith Foundation’s website, written by Ian Linden the director of Faiths Act, their explanation is more beautifully packaged evil…

“The irony is that interfaith dialogue, in the experience of most people who undertake it, tends to increase and deepen the understanding of a person’s own faith rather than dilute it. New insights are gained and dimensions that had been unnoticed come into prominence. Another faith can act as a mirror reflecting things that it had not been possible to glimpse before. There are large pictures of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the streets of the beautiful Iranian city of Isfahan, reflecting her veneration in the Shi’a Muslim tradition. But I doubt if any Christian seeing them feels inclined to renounce a distinctive faith in Christianity, or to chuck their “faith in a doctrinal melting pot.” The immediate inclination is more likely a questioning: do they really believe the same as me, what different beliefs are in play here beneath the similarity and why? And what do I believe?”

They’re attempting to qwell the believer’s anxieties about ‘worshipping’ false idols by saying ‘We’re not asking you to believe as we do, but rather consider the similarites, and then ask yourself ‘what do I believe?’” Well that’s a bunch of doublespeak, and that’s what these people are especially good at. Keep in mind There is a political backing to all of this. This mission is not to dismantle your faith (just yet) but to get you to an ‘understanding.’ I could spend months trying to explain this but I’m a very simple person and I break things down into their simplest terms…let’s consider this One instant and it’s the Original Lie…

In Genesis 3 the devil disguised himself as a serpant and spoke to Eve in the garden. Do you remember what Satan asked Eve?

“Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” (Genesis 3:1b)

Eve knew what God had said regarding the garden, she recited to Satan (first mistake-don’t have conversations with Satan)

“From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;  ³but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’” (Genesis 3:2b-3)

And here’s the kicker…the One Giant Leap for Satan one small step for mankind…

“The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!” (Genesis 3:4)

This same lie, “You surely will not die, if you simply open your mind and extend your hand to any and all faiths and religions for the sake of Peace!” Really? Really! Then truly you don’t know the Awesome and Powerful Righteous and Just, Holy God of Israel.

Don’t be deceived brethren. Good is now evil, and Evil is now Good, and you must know the word of God in order to discern which is which, because you (and I) can be deceived if we are not careful.