BGEA How much further Apostate can it get?

Billy Graham, Mitt Romney Meet- Source BGEA (not an endorsement) 10-11-12 Billy Graham throws his weight behind Governor Mitt Romney for Potus.

“It was a privilege to pray with Gov. Romney—for his family and our country. I will turn 94 the day after the upcoming election, and I believe America is at a crossroads. I hope millions of Americans will join me in praying for our nation and to vote for candidates who will support the biblical definition of marriage, protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms.”- Billy G.

“I’ll do all I can to help you. And you can quote me on that,” (Billy) Graham said at the end of the 30-minute meeting, which also included Franklin.” Source LA Times

The “falling away” would not be complete without a retraction that Mormonism is considered a Cult, oh wait, BGEA did that!

Billy Graham Is No Longer Saying Mormonism Is a Cult For Some Reason- source Slate.com

Billy Graham’s Website Removes Mormons from Cult Page, After Graham Endorses Mitt Romney- source Opposing Views.com

Billy Graham Magazine: Mormons Aren’t Christians- Source Talk to Action

(No link is ever considered to be an endorsement by N4TM they are for information purposes)

Billy Graham (Registered Democrat) has been Ecumenical for decades. Go back to the beginning with him and his Lausanne Covenant and even prior to that. He has repeatedly through the years bent, swayed, compromised, and completely abandoned sound doctrine so it’s in no way shocking or note worthy to point out his hypocrisy. Warning about Billy Graham’s slide into apostasy is like warning about the pope being Catholic. If you are for Romney and you are a Christian do so with the clear knowledge that Romney is not by definition a Christian and his “church” (LDS) don’t consider us “Christians” Mormons; so your vote for him is in complete awareness that you are voting for a Christ Denier. I don’t care if Billy G endorsed him or anyone else for that matter.

I do think it’s funny when Obama endorses Romney~

Jesuits beget Jesuits: Norman Geisler Veritas & Calvary Chapel Bible College

Veritas Evangelical Seminary

Affiliation
Veritas Evangelical Seminary is a free standing inter-denominational institution with its own Board of Directors, without affiliation to any particular church or denomination.

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Board of Directors

• Luman R. (Roger) Wing (San Diego, CA)—Research Scientist [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, former UTT Board Member, Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]

• Don Stewart (Laguna Niguel, CA)—Author/Speaker [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, Pastor's Perspective co-host, His Channel]
• David Shirley (Murrieta, CA)—Pastor/Educator [Calvary Chapel Pastor Westminster London,England]
• Joseph M. Holden (Winchester, CA)—President [Calvary Chapel Bible College Academic Adviser & Teacher]
• Brian Brodersen (Costa Mesa, CA)—Pastor/Chairman [Calvary Chapel Bible College Vice President, Assistant Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]

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(Veritas Evangelical Seminary) Adjunct Teachers/Guest Lecturers

Ergun Caner (Missler/Compass, ISCA/Geisler)
Arnold Fruchtenbaum ( Radio Free Church/John Higgins, Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism/Billy Graham (UN))
Ed Hindson (Missler/Compass)
Thomas Ice (Missler/Compass)
J. Randall Price (Missler/Compass)
Brian Nixon (Calvary Chapel of Albuquerque Pastoral Staff/Skip Heitzig, Publishing staff CCCM/Chuck Smith, Word for Today/Don Stewart&Chuck Smith)
Ron Rhodes (Missler/Compass)
William E. Nix (
Jay H. Smith (

Calvary Chapel Bible College: Guest Teachers/Lecturers

Dr. Richard Bennett, Cheryl Brodersen, Joey Buran, Charlie Campbell John Chubik

Dr. Paul Copan, John Courson, Dr. Ed Bulkley, Dr. Norman Geisler, Ken Graves,

Skip Heitzig, Jack Hibbs, Bob Hoekstra, Sean Housman, Poncho Juarez, Todd Kent

David Guzik, Wayne Taylor, Rafael Manzanares, Don McClure, John Millhouse

Norman Geisler Author of the Chicago Statement of 1978, formulated post PhD. from Jesuit School, Loyola University; is the Founder of Veritas Evangelical Seminary, and founder of International Society of Christian Apologetics (ISCA). Geisler is a part of Calvary Chapel Bible College, a frequent speaker at Calvary Chapel Churches, and conversely all of his Board Members of Veritas are Calvary Chapel related Pastors and/or Speakers and/or CC Board Members of other Calvary Chapels. The Chicago Statement of 1978 was signed by over 300 Evangelicals, including David Hocking and Josh McDowell to name a few.

Now some would have you to believe these people are not one in the same. What do you think now that you see the evidence?

Geisler, Missler, Smith, Graham

Chuck Missler admits he was a co-laborer with Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa for over 25 years, it’s in his bio on every site Chuck admits to running. Some would have you to believe Chuck Missler and Chuck Smith have little to do with one another now, in spite of the obvious facts that Chuck Missler speaks at Calvary Chapels and his organization: Compass.org/Steeling the Mind propagates the same roll call of speakers at various Calvary Chapels across America and abroad. Maybe we need to see a  more recent connection. How about this:

This is from a site called “Darwin is dead” site address is:

http://www.darwinisdead.com/Creation%20Science%20Fellowship%20of%20Calvary%20Chapel.htm

“Creation Science Fellowship of Calvary Chapel meets 7:30 P.M. the first and third  Saturday of each month at 3000 West MacArthur Blvd in Santa Ana, California. The six-story LOGOS Building is located just west of Fairview Rd and MacArthur Blvd, and is adjacent to the main campus of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa.  Admission is free.  Parking is free.  We are open to the public.” Source: darwinisdead.com (not an endorsement)

If you view the page you will see that is related to CCCM and you’ll see the speakers they have.

February 12, 2011 – Special extra meeting on the 2nd Saturday of February – Chuck Missler, Ph.D. (Biblical Studies) spoke on the topic, “Cosmic Electricity: A Billion, Billion, Billion, Billion Times Stronger Than Gravity!”

Chuck Missler appears to still be close to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Chuck Missler provides CC’s with their list of “Speakers” constantly. Norman Geisler is a Jesuit trained PHD(not an endorsement of the site). Geisler has stated along the same lines of Chuck Missler that he believes UFO’s are really demonic Nephelim. Geisler wrote a couple “Covenants” in his lifetime that gained the “Speakers/Pastors” that are involved in Calvary Chapel. All of Norman Geisler’s board members are related to Calvary Chapel. Norman Geisler may be a subversive Jesuit who is begetting further Jesuits by his involvement in CC Bible College and Veritas. Chuck Missler, CNP member shares his men with CC and Geisler. They are one in the same. There is no “discernment” there are no “watchman” this is a highly designed well oiled machine. I pray you research all that I’ve presented here.

The Building where Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa holds their “Creation Science Fellowship” meetings is in the same building that Samaritan’s Purse (Franklin Graham) has an office.

Click on picture for enlarged version. I’m sure the use of Samaritan’s Purse and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa has nothing to do with each other. Just like Skip Heitzig and Greg Laurie being on the Billy Graham Evangelical Association board has nothing to do with Calvary Chapel. I’m sure Arnold Frauchtenbaum’s attendance and signature of Lausanne Covenant (LCJE- Lausanne Consultation of Jewish Evangelicalism run by Billy Graham) has nothing to do with anything either. The Lausanne Covenant is part of the United Nations and World Council of Churches, but that has nothing to do with a one-world-apostate-ecumenical-interdenominational-false church. Billy Graham’s Masonic ties and work with the Vatican has nothing to do with Veritas, Calvary Chapel Bible College, shared board members, man issued and signed covenants. I’m sure it’s all nothing.

You will not find a “Discernment” ministry that has anything to do with book deals or conference speakers related to Calvary Chapel truly exposing what is going on within Calvary Chapel. Do not expect any “Researcher” or “Speaker” who shows up at a Calvary Chapel to tell you who is on whose board or who is on the “pass go” list. Some discernment sites and “speakers” may give the appearance of warning about Calvary Chapel’s heresy but they may be playing you for a fool to keep you preoccupied with some exposure while they are busy covering up for their friends.

Conservative Christian or Calculated Confusion

The term “Conservative Christian” is a misnomer. This implies that there are or can be “Liberal Christians” and that those who are “Conservative” are the closer to God’s law and righteousness. The problem with this term is that it implies a false sense of security for the Christian. Someone who loves Christ and wants to abide in Christ in their private life but in the public arena as well can easily be sucked into this lie. It’s similar to the original lie, “Surely you shall not die.” Genesis 3:4 The Christian is lured into thinking that supporting Conservative Christian policies and civil servants is the way to honor God. It would be ideal if it wasn’t completely infiltrated and used as a cover to do the most horrendous things in the name of God. When Scripture directs us to “test the spirits” it includes those and is especially speaking to those who come in the name of Christ. Most Christians even the youngest of believers can distinguish an obvious liar or an overt display of evil when it’s evident on the outward appearance. Don’t forget dear Christian that Satan can quote Scripture and that is why even Jesus Christ our Savior rebuked him for quoting God’s word out of context. If Satan dare tempt Christ with quoting scripture why would you be spared such a deception?

Many, especially those who are called, are finding out that the Right is not quite, not quite right. Evil and sinister plots are afoot and the path crosses political party lines. The old adage that suggests we not discuss Politics or Religion at the dinner table will not apply in this post. It is exactly the time to discuss both and their consequential role of influence on one another that I write to you today. Just as Cancer does not discriminate against whom it inflicts, so is the plague that is upon the Church today.

Religion of Politics

The Conservative ‘Right’ is predominately Christian. You can attest that there are ‘Christian’ liberals, and I will appease you to say there are those who appear more conservative in the Left winged political fare then some in the Right’s party-yes, but for the most part Christians (et.al) fall into the Conservative Right category more than not. There is a renewed fervor of militant Conservatism, a revival if you will, not to the Doctrines of Christ, but to the falsified Doctrines of the ‘Founding Fathers.’ This abhorrent idolization of men passed is met with selective memory. The right wing revival is just as steeped in idolatry as the left wing hypercharismania of the 2008 elections. Politics is a Religion and that’s why our country and our brethren are in trouble. When I began to uncover the depth and breadth of the chasm of evil that has permeated the illusion of our current governmental system, I dually uncovered that the religious right is involved as well. I am not ignorant of the fact that religious organizations can be/or have been or currently are corrupted by money, power, and sin etc. I know this fact, but there were new things I began to find out. Namely the last man standing was not exactly standing on a solid rock foundation. And the pyramid of which sits atop of this foundation will crumble just as quickly as all the others who fall into (or began in) apostasy.

What the Right Leaves Out

Most well minded Christ centered people desire to live righteously. Christians intend to reflect their lives in a manner that displays Godly characteristics. Christians who follow after the Lord Jesus of the bible want to do right. There are some in the flanks who are simply ignorant. By ignorant, I mean ‘unaware’ of what is going on in the pre-game show and they don’t have time to stick around for the post-game wrap up. They show up, they vote their conscience, they pray it turns out as God would so will and they leave it at that. And God bless them for at least spending some neurons on thinking out their vote! However, what this God pleasing person neglects to do is something that the Father actually called Isaiah to do, “Come, let us reason.” God never suggests to us in His word or otherwise that we abandon our thought process and allow men, or women, to influence us when we vote. I spoke of ‘hypercharismania’ in reference to the Democratic party’s zeal in 2008, but we have since fallen under the same spell. Don’t say we haven’t there have been some misfires in our pursuits to simply put men and women with an (R) in front of their name into office only to later find out there were as cold blooded left as all get out! So what is the Right not telling us common folk? They’re not telling us that they in the upper echelons don’t necessarily need us. They are part of a greater and more deceptive plan than we can know or fully understand. I’ve begun to discern some of it, and of what I’ve uncovered it still escapes me how we’ve lasted as long as we have as a country and as people on earth without warranting God’s Holy Judgment on us! But then again, I serve an all knowing,all merciful, patient, and long-suffering Abba in Heaven who seeks that none should perish but that all should come to Him. There is a group of fundamental Christian Conservatives who have sold their soul to the devil, who say they are doing things in our best interest. For all intensive purposes these particular “Fundamentalist Christians” are not serving the same Jesus Christ we do in the Bible. Instead they serve a greedy and unadulterated pagan deity known as Lucifer himself. It would be in your best interest to search out the true purposes of those who call themselves our family.

A Warning

The word of God repeatedly petitions us to be aware, to be alert, to be sober; and there will be those who from ‘among’ you will seek to destroy you. If you know these warnings read them and re-read them. The time we have here is but a vapor; what we see with our natural eyes can play tricks on us, but there is ONE who knows all, and He has already told us what to expect. It is our duty to mature, to grow in the weightier things, and to seek out the Truth. He who is in you is greater than he of this world. Do your own research. Do not get accustomed to spoon feeding from major media personae or mega-pastors. Due diligence is of the essence. And remember, fix your eyes on Christ!