International Apostasy

After all the hulabaloo here we are once again… Ok folks, there’s a back story to this and maybe this is a non issue for some but I will just lay it out as I have come to the knowledge that a vast and sinister network of “False Discerners” is afoot. Some time ago there was an issue concerning Chuck Missler. A friend asked me to look into Chuck Missler to see “where he was wrong” for a friend of theirs (to be named later) who was about to join Chuck Missler on a speaking engagement. I really truly didn’t want to investigate Chuck Missler because it’s one of those, If you have to ask, type of things. (translation, If you have to ask then there’s your answer, something is already wrong with the guy.) I did look into Chuck Missler and I found a plethora of things wrong with the man. My own personal objections to him are as follows:

He is a false prophet.

He is a liar.

He has been working with people like Tim LaHaye (CNP) and Chuck Smith (CCC) for most of his “biblical career.”

He is into stuff that is extra biblical: Numerology, Kabbalah, Mysticism, Demonology, Apocrypha,  and a lot of other weirdness.

So once you do your own lengthy study of all the various outrageous claims (Y2K) that Chuck Missler makes and realize for yourself that his motive most certainly cannot be to teach the bible but must be for other nefarious reasons you too will understand the shock and awe when you see other more/less “notable” and “trustworthy” teachers come alongside him and speak with him.

When I conducted my vetting of Chuck Missler it was just prior to “Future Congress” a conference held in Branson Missouri that included other notorious sensationalists like Tom Horn, but also on the docket was a speaker I had learned about through Roger Oakland’s UTT website, Chris Pinto. Chris Pinto did a lot of work “exposing” David Barton. David Barton is a Dominionist and a false teacher. David Barton has been used extensively for his version of American “Christian” history. Many Calvary Chapels simply adore David Barton and have him speak at their conferences. When I watched one of Chris Pinto’s dvd’s where he exposed the “Founding Fathers” as being much more than patriotic, namely Enlightenment/Illuminati influenced, Masons, and Jesuit ties to much of our early beginnings of America I stood up and wanted others to know the same truth. I saw so many of my brethren getting sucked down the black hole of Glenn Beck and David Barton, and at that time Chris Pinto was the only one I knew who was speaking against it. But, lo and behold it wasn’t long before realizing that Christ Pinto was a willing and able body individual that was joining with Chuck Missler at the “Future Congress” conference. Pinto was also being promoted heavily on other fake discerners shows like, Alex Jones, and Brannon Howse. So, I asked (via email) Roger Oakland (who had promoted Chris Pinto) and LHT (Lighthouse Trails Research) “Why is Chris Pinto with Chuck Missler at this conference, I thought Chris Pinto was supposed to be on the up and up?” I did not get an answer. I pursued the issue concerning Chuck Missler and sent emails out stating what I had found on the guy, that his connections were all wrong and he was a man never to be trusted and people who are “alerting” and “discerning” should not be speaking along with him or it would stumble the flock. It was soon that a fellow blogger informed me that Missler was on a speaking engagement with Roger Oakland. No wonder I had not received an answer, this blogger posted on it and I concurred that the joining was in bad form, especially considering all the monumental evidence out there that pointed to what a false prophet Chuck Missler is. Quickly I began to be attacked and ostracized for pointing out that simple fact. Then I did hear back from Roger Oakland, he demanded I reveal the identity of the fellow blogger and I most certainly would not have even if I had that information at the time because it was very uncouth, and controlling.  I took the liberty to pose the question again, Why is Pinto speaking with Missler, why are you speaking with Missler, certainly you know who he is, after all these years of knowing him, after all the investigative research into the book Faith Undone, surely you must know that Missler is not good. The last communication was, “I WILL NOT GO THERE.” from Roger Oakland in regards to my line of questioning on Chuck Missler. To Roger Oakland’s benefit, he did attempt to appease me by saying “they” (IDK who this meant) were in contact with the group that was putting on the conference (where Chuck Missler was to join Roger Oakland) and “things were happening behind the scenes that you (I) did not know about.” In the end, I waited for another blogger to conduct Matthew 18 and waited, and finally did my own blog post about the whole issue (See, “A time to speak” below). In the end, Roger Oakland did not end up speaking at this conference, and consequently two others bailed out, David Hocking and Ray Yungen. This does not mean anything however, because none of those who left that conference ever came out and stated that Chuck Missler is a false prophet, false discerner, and out of pure heart and a desire to stand on sound doctrine did they submit that Missler is wrong in anyway, they simply left quietly without reference. It was my conclusion after finding out that Blue Letter Bible which was started by Chuck Missler (Khouse) as well as Sowing Circle (which is another Missler related venture) did I realize that what could have been (is) a contributing factor for all the silence was that these men have ministries with ties to Missler’s ministries (by ties I mean $$$). Obviously there are links from BLB to Hope for Today and to UTT and other ministries Roger Oakland has overseas. It was assumed that Roger Oakland left the US speaking circuit to attend to those ministries overseas, however he does still speak at conferences in Canada, and probably other countries as well, Africa comes to mind of a recent trip Roger Oakland took there… Anyway, Yesterday I saw this over at KHouse Africa. I am not totally amazed by this. Yes if you click enough you can get from KHouse Africa to UTT. And if you look hard enough you too can find out why there has not been a complete severing of ties between Missler and Oakland. At one time I truly valued Roger Oakland’s ministry, his book (if he indeed wrote it) Faith Undone, helped me to see more than he intended I believe. The first prophecy conference I ever went to was in Arizona where I heard David Hocking, Chuck Missler, and Roger Oakland do presentations, so I know that they have worked together in the past. It had been my hope at one time that Roger Oakland was merely deceived by Missler and once he saw with his own eyes, and did his own vetting of Missler he would realize that Missler is truly a WOLF and Roger would flee immediately, however that never happened. There are some people who truly see no harm in Chuck Missler, KHouse Africa, selling Roger Oakland’s material. Some will say that Roger has no control over who sells his merchandise (Amazing Discoveries/SDA ministry) or who links to UTT (Lighthouse Trails), and that what would be more disconcerting was if Roger linked to Missler. With that line of thinking I have little to say in rebuttal. I do know that these networks of people exist, they support one another, they cover for one another, they use some to “expose” and others to endorse all the while remaining bedfellows. What you do with this information is for you to wrestle with.

Related Links by N4TM:

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2011/12/24/a-time-to-speak/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/slight-of-hand-false-prophet-chuck-missler-still-on-speaker-schedule-with-other-calvary-chapel-discerners/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/cons-spies-and-a-misguided-compasssthe-complicated-world-of-discernment-false-information/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/im-gonna-knock-you-out/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/the-network-discernmentdeception-broad-is-the-way/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/walter-j-veith-lht-and-some-amazing-discoveries/

**as always external links used do not constitute as an endorsement but are used as reference, do your own due diligence in exercising discernment**

Advocates for Faith and Freedom Defend “Pastor’s” civil liberties

A story broke last week over a “Pastor” who was arrested for reading the Bible aloud at a Department of Motor Vehicles building in California. The video snippets were played on the national media outlets like, Fox News Channel, and distributed throughout “Christian” “News” organizations as well. The headline of  a “Pastor” being “Arrested” is sensational news, especially when Right Wing Christian Conservatives are hot and heavy for a “persecution” story. I came across this “Breaking News” a week late, however, I thought it noteworthy to do my own background investigating. Here is what I found concerning this grave civil liberties issue.

The “Pastor” arrested is not a Pastor.

The story everyone is told, or dare I say ‘sold,’ is that Mark Mackey is a “Pastor” at “Calvary Chapel Hemet.” Truth be told, Mark Allen Mackey is not a Pastor at Calvary Chapel Hemet. The Senior Pastor at Calvary Chapel Hemet is Gary Johnson and he’s been the senior pastor “for over 30 years.” Another man “arrested” in conjunction to this story is, Brett Coronado. Brett Coronado states on the video below that he, “is  the Assistant Pastor of Calvary Chapel Hemet.”  You would be hard pressed to find any evidence of Brett Coronado listed as an Assistant Pastor at CC Hemet,although I did find old video of him preaching there where he’s referred to as “Pastor Brett Coronado.” However, Mark Mackey is NOT a Pastor at Calvary Chapel Hemet, nor was he ever, as far as I can ascertain from my research. I did find that both Mark Allen Mackey and Brett Coronado have started their own church called, Reconciled Christian Fellowship.

According to the Press Enterprise who quoted Gary Johnson, the real senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Hemet, Gary had this to say about his two “former” brothers;

CHP Officer Darren Meyer, who made the arrest, said the group was warned repeatedly that they needed a permit leading up to the day they were arrested without warning.

Coronado and Mackey are no longer part of Calvary Chapel Church in Hemet. They have formed their own church, Reconciled Fellowship, said Calvary Chapel Pastor Gary Johnson.

Johnson said in an email that the men had almost been arrested several times prior to the incident and knew they needed a permit prior to going to the DMV.

“I had been attempting to temper their style of evangelism,” Johnson said. “They revolted at the idea that they were wrong and eventually left the church …”

Coronado and Mackey are set to return to court April 11 to be arraigned on the misdemeanor charge. Tyler said they may file an emergency appeal before entering a plea or going to trial.

Mackey and Coronado are no longer a part of “Calvary Chapel Hemet” however, this is NOT reflected in the endless articles you can find when searching this story. Pastor Gary Johnson is on record as stating that they were constantly at risk for arrest when they went out “Evangelizing” and it appears the two “brothers” (Mackey and Coronado) knew an arrest was looming.  Maybe they wanted the arrest to happen, and they conveniently filmed the whole event. In the video I posted above Brett Coronado himself suggests that the video appears staged: (1:13 min marker) “It almost seems unreal, like it was staged, but it wasn’t.”  It does seem staged, especially when cohort Mark Mackey initially states that they are gathered there “Today at the courthouse, I’m sorry the DMV.” (1:25 min marker) It is as though he was outside of his usual element, the courthouse, and forgot that they were there to record their arrest. They had been warned previously according to the article from Press Enterprise above that they needed a permit to preach outside the DMV, so it was not a shock to them that they could be arrested. Since their misdemeanor charge they have since sought counsel, via the Advocates for Faith and Freedom organization, a “not-for-profit,” that defends civil liberties (and coincidentally has represented for Calvary Chapel College  Murrietta.)

More Facts on this Story

We now know that Mark Mackey is not, nor ever has been, in a capacity as a “Pastor” for Calvary Chapel Hemet. We now know that Brett Coronado, former “Assistant Pastor” at CCH, is now lead Pastor at Reconciled Christian Fellowship where his cohort Mark Mackey also teaches. Let us also pay attention to the fact that the video shown repeatedly across media outlets is ONE YEAR old. The original date of the incident was February 2, of 2011. The video is now being released, why? I suggest the video is released now to generate heat, political fire, sensation, and skew public opinion. The charges against these two men have been taken down to a misdemeanor yet their “counsel, Advocates for Faith and Freedom” are seeking counter suits to the Federal level stating that they were wrongfully charged and arrested.

“Advocates for Faith & Freedom has filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of these three men for violation of their right to free speech and for unlawful arrest, but that case has been stayed pending the resolution of the state court prosecution. A copy of our federal complaint can be found [here].” Source: Advocates for Faith and Freedom. (See also full disclosure of “Demurrer to the Criminal Complaint” filed by Mackey and Coronado’s attorney/representation Advocates for Faith and Freedom Robert H. Tyler and Jennifer L. Monk, on 12.22.11)

It seems as though, these two men who had been warned amply enough sought purposefully to get arrested and since being arrested are now trying to make a mockery of the system and a name for themselves as “persecuted” when in fact they are acting like fools. They appear to be Media hungry, and seeking to make a name for themselves. It’s all highly political when you consider those who work for Advocates for Faith and Freedom (also known as Tyler & Monk, LLP) and what their intentions truly are. I would not put it past these two and whomever they are taking their “legal” advice from to have staged the whole show.

Similarly, another “Calvary Chapel” affiliate, nephew to Chuck Smith Sr., Chuck Fromm, was in the news last year for holding a “bible study” in his home and coming under “persecution” for it. However, when I looked further into that story I found that he had been warned also due to the large volume of people attending his “Church” in his home as it’s listed online as, not just a “home bible study.” Clearly Chuck Fromm who runs several other financially stable ministries could afford to rent space, it was his choice to bait the law and continue to hold his weekly church services at his home, thus in my opinion not a ‘true’ victim of civil liberties affliction, but rather of sheer stupidity, or more sinister an attempt to sway public opinion as though he were a “victim” of religious freedom. In this case his representation was ‘Pacific Justice Institute’ a highly prominent advocator of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa/Murrieta College. See here for post on Chuck Fromm

Another notable tidbit, Brett Coronado and Mark Mackey list Ambassador’s Alliance on their “links” page for Reconciled Christian Fellowship. This organization is another front of “Living Waters” ministry. Both Mackey and Coronado credit their education and preaching skills from the same style derived at Living Waters, better known to you as, “Way of the Master,” a ministry with Kirk Cameron (Glenn Beck’s new friend) and Ray Comfort. Let’s pretend we don’t know about Cameron and Comfort’s links to Chuck Missler (false prophet) or Tim LaHaye (CNP founder, false teacher) or Brannon Howse (Worldview Weekend and Code blue Rally founder). The fact that all these men serve each other and seek to have the glory of men will go without saying. Also, the countless articles I’ve done as well as other bloggers on these false prophets will go without mention as well.

The Real Story are the News Agencies behind the Breaking News

On a whole other note, not to be fully diagnosed here because the matter deserves its own separate post; there is another part of this story and it’s the issue of the “News” agencies that are releasing the onslaught of faked “persecution” to the masses.  The same people who are crying foul have set up for themselves their own News Organizations and also have embedded their own operatives within main stream and alternative media to skew the public opinion toward their own gain. This may be difficult for some of you to comprehend, that the Religious Right, “Conservative Christian/Evangelical churches” would in fact seek to gain public opinion by releasing stories that gives the appearance of them being persecuted when they are not, but in fact that is exactly what I am suggesting. Don’t mistakenly trust the term “Christian” with the stories you are typically fed via some of these organizations. Some organizations are connected to one another in their own varying forms via shared,  Board of Director$, supporter$, and contributor$. Some are front$ for political gain, while others are simply there to breed the type of imagery they desire to portray for whatever sick and demented reasons they may have. Unfortunately they can, and do, hijack an occasional true story of persecution or infringement on civil liberty but these are truly minor when considering all the other spin stories. WallBuilders, One News Now, Canada Press, Christian News Wire, Christianity Today, World Net Daily, Glenn Beck, and many many others are on the payroll to disseminate stories like the one above. I wish they were truly seeking to defend our religious liberty here in America, but sadly there are those who are willfully deceptive and create stories for political gain. I can’t stress to you enough that I understand this may be difficult to believe but if you check into whose money starts most of these publications and what people they share in common it will slowly begin to unravel. It’s the story no one reports on, the misuse of the Christian right, and the one that most on the ‘Right’ don’t want to know about. Always check the sources, see what is motivating them and then as always, follow the money.

See:

Hearing Postponed for Evangelists Accused of Preaching Without Permit

Below are excerpts from “City Launches defense in DMV Demonstration” (Press Enterprise Online)

Hemet city officials and a church tried to distance themselves Thursday from two preachers who are challenging their arrest at a Department of Motor Vehicles office there last year.

The Hemet city manager’s office issued a pair of statements in response to a Fox News report after the city received angry phone calls and emails from across the country.

About 15 emails were sent to the Hemet Police Department from Virginia, Idaho, Texas and California. Some emails urged, “Why don’t we arrest kids selling lemonade?” Hemet police management assistant Tracy Palmer said.

CHP Officer Darren Meyer, who made the arrest, said the group was warned repeatedly that they needed a permit leading up to the day they were arrested without warning.

Jesuits beget Jesuits: Norman Geisler Veritas & Calvary Chapel Bible College

Veritas Evangelical Seminary

Affiliation
Veritas Evangelical Seminary is a free standing inter-denominational institution with its own Board of Directors, without affiliation to any particular church or denomination.

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Board of Directors

• Luman R. (Roger) Wing (San Diego, CA)—Research Scientist [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, former UTT Board Member, Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]

• Don Stewart (Laguna Niguel, CA)—Author/Speaker [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, Pastor's Perspective co-host, His Channel]
• David Shirley (Murrieta, CA)—Pastor/Educator [Calvary Chapel Pastor Westminster London,England]
• Joseph M. Holden (Winchester, CA)—President [Calvary Chapel Bible College Academic Adviser & Teacher]
• Brian Brodersen (Costa Mesa, CA)—Pastor/Chairman [Calvary Chapel Bible College Vice President, Assistant Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]

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(Veritas Evangelical Seminary) Adjunct Teachers/Guest Lecturers

Ergun Caner (Missler/Compass, ISCA/Geisler)
Arnold Fruchtenbaum ( Radio Free Church/John Higgins, Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism/Billy Graham (UN))
Ed Hindson (Missler/Compass)
Thomas Ice (Missler/Compass)
J. Randall Price (Missler/Compass)
Brian Nixon (Calvary Chapel of Albuquerque Pastoral Staff/Skip Heitzig, Publishing staff CCCM/Chuck Smith, Word for Today/Don Stewart&Chuck Smith)
Ron Rhodes (Missler/Compass)
William E. Nix (
Jay H. Smith (

Calvary Chapel Bible College: Guest Teachers/Lecturers

Dr. Richard Bennett, Cheryl Brodersen, Joey Buran, Charlie Campbell John Chubik

Dr. Paul Copan, John Courson, Dr. Ed Bulkley, Dr. Norman Geisler, Ken Graves,

Skip Heitzig, Jack Hibbs, Bob Hoekstra, Sean Housman, Poncho Juarez, Todd Kent

David Guzik, Wayne Taylor, Rafael Manzanares, Don McClure, John Millhouse

Norman Geisler Author of the Chicago Statement of 1978, formulated post PhD. from Jesuit School, Loyola University; is the Founder of Veritas Evangelical Seminary, and founder of International Society of Christian Apologetics (ISCA). Geisler is a part of Calvary Chapel Bible College, a frequent speaker at Calvary Chapel Churches, and conversely all of his Board Members of Veritas are Calvary Chapel related Pastors and/or Speakers and/or CC Board Members of other Calvary Chapels. The Chicago Statement of 1978 was signed by over 300 Evangelicals, including David Hocking and Josh McDowell to name a few.

Now some would have you to believe these people are not one in the same. What do you think now that you see the evidence?

Geisler, Missler, Smith, Graham

Chuck Missler admits he was a co-laborer with Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa for over 25 years, it’s in his bio on every site Chuck admits to running. Some would have you to believe Chuck Missler and Chuck Smith have little to do with one another now, in spite of the obvious facts that Chuck Missler speaks at Calvary Chapels and his organization: Compass.org/Steeling the Mind propagates the same roll call of speakers at various Calvary Chapels across America and abroad. Maybe we need to see a  more recent connection. How about this:

This is from a site called “Darwin is dead” site address is:

http://www.darwinisdead.com/Creation%20Science%20Fellowship%20of%20Calvary%20Chapel.htm

“Creation Science Fellowship of Calvary Chapel meets 7:30 P.M. the first and third  Saturday of each month at 3000 West MacArthur Blvd in Santa Ana, California. The six-story LOGOS Building is located just west of Fairview Rd and MacArthur Blvd, and is adjacent to the main campus of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa.  Admission is free.  Parking is free.  We are open to the public.” Source: darwinisdead.com (not an endorsement)

If you view the page you will see that is related to CCCM and you’ll see the speakers they have.

February 12, 2011 – Special extra meeting on the 2nd Saturday of February – Chuck Missler, Ph.D. (Biblical Studies) spoke on the topic, “Cosmic Electricity: A Billion, Billion, Billion, Billion Times Stronger Than Gravity!”

Chuck Missler appears to still be close to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Chuck Missler provides CC’s with their list of “Speakers” constantly. Norman Geisler is a Jesuit trained PHD(not an endorsement of the site). Geisler has stated along the same lines of Chuck Missler that he believes UFO’s are really demonic Nephelim. Geisler wrote a couple “Covenants” in his lifetime that gained the “Speakers/Pastors” that are involved in Calvary Chapel. All of Norman Geisler’s board members are related to Calvary Chapel. Norman Geisler may be a subversive Jesuit who is begetting further Jesuits by his involvement in CC Bible College and Veritas. Chuck Missler, CNP member shares his men with CC and Geisler. They are one in the same. There is no “discernment” there are no “watchman” this is a highly designed well oiled machine. I pray you research all that I’ve presented here.

The Building where Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa holds their “Creation Science Fellowship” meetings is in the same building that Samaritan’s Purse (Franklin Graham) has an office.

Click on picture for enlarged version. I’m sure the use of Samaritan’s Purse and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa has nothing to do with each other. Just like Skip Heitzig and Greg Laurie being on the Billy Graham Evangelical Association board has nothing to do with Calvary Chapel. I’m sure Arnold Frauchtenbaum’s attendance and signature of Lausanne Covenant (LCJE- Lausanne Consultation of Jewish Evangelicalism run by Billy Graham) has nothing to do with anything either. The Lausanne Covenant is part of the United Nations and World Council of Churches, but that has nothing to do with a one-world-apostate-ecumenical-interdenominational-false church. Billy Graham’s Masonic ties and work with the Vatican has nothing to do with Veritas, Calvary Chapel Bible College, shared board members, man issued and signed covenants. I’m sure it’s all nothing.

You will not find a “Discernment” ministry that has anything to do with book deals or conference speakers related to Calvary Chapel truly exposing what is going on within Calvary Chapel. Do not expect any “Researcher” or “Speaker” who shows up at a Calvary Chapel to tell you who is on whose board or who is on the “pass go” list. Some discernment sites and “speakers” may give the appearance of warning about Calvary Chapel’s heresy but they may be playing you for a fool to keep you preoccupied with some exposure while they are busy covering up for their friends.

Iran. War. Christian.

Iran.

Today’s news:

In a demonstration likely designed to intimidate the US and Israel, Iran test fired two missiles as part of a 10-day military exercise on Monday.

With these missiles, Iran could target regional US bases. The military display was also designed to demonstrate Iran’s ability to close of the Strait of Hormuz, through which 20 percent of the world’s oil passes.

As speculation intensifies that the US and Israel are conducting a covert war against Iran, and the West is threatening to impose further sanctions, the Islamic Republic has said it is enhancing its defenses. (Jan.2,2012).

In December there were oil problems. OPEC was scheduled to meet December 14th and prior to this meeting there was already an apparent “build-up” of American forces in the Straight of Hormuz. Why, because the US was anticipating a new round of sanctions on Iran. The US was also aware that Iran was pushing to get OPEC to take advantage of Libya’s return to the oil market following its share of problems (Revolution concocted by CIA, NATO, et.al). During the “Revolution” Saudi Arabia increased its output and stood to make some hefty fiat over the situation. Now that Iran is asking OPEC to include Libyan sweet crude once again, guess who stands to loose fiat? Yes, American interest, Saudi Arabia. Iraq also, a third largest producer of oil also upped their oil output during the Libyan debacle. Of course we know that Iraq is totally independent and is no way led by any other governments outside their own democratically “elected” officials. o_O (Information source Bloomberg)

War.

With Libya now “Free” and Iraq now “Stable” it appears that the growing consensus is that to keep the American public distracted with our impending mega-economic  collapse is another war. War is Peace. War is profitable. There has been a long ongoing complex series of foundation laying to justify going to war with Iran. Some saw Iraq as an “opportunity” to proxy war with Iran, which it was as I was told by Iraqi’s who left Iraq early and confirmed this was going on. The idea of “Christian America” fighting “Evil Muslim Iran” has been played out across “Evangelical” Churches for years. YEARS. I can recall a silly book written by John Hagee in which he declared Iran would be Nuclear Weapon ready within months to 3 years of the publication of his book! (Jerusalem Countdown 1, later he had to amend some of his false prophesies in Jerusalem Countdown 2; I’m waiting for it to show up at the Dollar Tree-not). Let’s not forget all the Christian Apologetics, Prophesy conferences, Joel Rosenberg, and everyone else looking to sell a book, DVD, or fill a conference room has been telling Christians that Iran will nuke Israel because of Ezekiel 38 & 39!! Is that what the scripture really says? Can you please review it: Ezekiel 38 & 39. Spend some time thinking about how many times Christian ministries throw in the impending doom of Iran and their Nuclear arsenal. And if the Bible is correct that Gog will attack Israel, is it not also true that GOD will protect the land of Israel?

¹⁸ And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

¹⁹ For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

²⁰ So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

²¹ And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.

²² And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

²³ Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD. ~Ezekiel 38:18-23

Christian.

Who protects Israel in the event of Ezekiel 38?

¹ Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

²And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

³ And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

⁴ Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

⁵ Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

⁶ And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

⁷ So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

⁸ Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken. ~ Ezekiel 39:1-8

Odd, I didn’t see the United States in that passage, or NATO, or a conglomerate of countries having to come to the aid of Israel. I’m not against supporting Israel. I’m against a preemptive attack on Iran that will cause them to do something to the US or our servicemen and women in the Straight of Hormuz. Maybe the evil corrupt groups within the US that are running things want us to do such a preemptive strike to cause the ensuing fallout? What? Yeah, maybe the real evil ones want to unleash a war on Christians and the only way to do it is to light the fuse in the direction of Muslim retaliation against a primed and angry Christian “Army” who have been long told there’s a coming war with Iran. Maybe, or I just have had too much coffee this morning.