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iSpy NSA Builds Beheomth Data Center in Utah

 

 

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Pictured: Bluffdale, Utah the NSA’s biggest Data Center to date. The following information is from Wired.com Click HERE for full article.

Once built, it will be more than five times the size of the US Capitol.

 

Rather than Bibles, prophets, and worshipers, this temple will be filled with servers, computer intelligence experts, and armed guards. And instead of listening for words flowing down from heaven, these newcomers will be secretly capturing, storing, and analyzing vast quantities of words and images hurtling through the world’s telecommunications networks. In the little town of Bluffdale, Big Love and Big Brother have become uneasy neighbors.

 

The NSA has become the largest, most covert, and potentially most intrusive intelligence agency ever.

 

Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.

 

But “this is more than just a data center,” says one senior intelligence official who until recently was involved with the program. The mammoth Bluffdale center will have another important and far more secret role that until now has gone unrevealed. It is also critical, he says, for breaking codes. And code-breaking is crucial, because much of the data that the center will handle—financial information, stock transactions, business deals, foreign military and diplomatic secrets, legal documents, confidential personal communications—will be heavily encrypted. According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: “Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.” End of Quote from WIRED.com for full article see linked site source above.

see also: Pentagon’s new massive expansion of ‘cyber-security’ unit is about everything except defense

Excerpt here: “Back in 2003, the Rumsfeld Pentagon prepared a secret report entitled “Information Operations (IO) Roadmap”, which laid the foundation for this new cyber-warfare expansion. The Pentagon’s self-described objective was “transforming IO into a core military competency on par with air, ground, maritime and special operations”. In other words, its key objective was to ensure military control over internet-based communications:

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It further identified superiority in cyber-attack capabilities as a vital military goal in PSYOPs (Psychological Operations) and “information-centric fights”:

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And it set forth the urgency of dominating the “IO battlespace” not only during wartime but also in peacetime:

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As a 2006 BBC report on this Pentagon document noted: “Perhaps the most startling aspect of the roadmap is its acknowledgement that information put out as part of the military’s psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the computer and television screens of ordinary Americans.” And while the report paid lip service to the need to create “boundaries” for these new IO military activities, “they don’t seem to explain how.” Regarding the report’s plan to “provide maximum control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum”, the BBC noted: “Consider that for a moment. The US military seeks the capability to knock out every telephone, every networked computer, every radar system on the planet.” End of Quote for full article see linked site source above.

BarackObama_StanleyAnnDunhamSee also: The Ugly Truth Behind Obama’s Cyber War

Excerpt Here:

”Extreme Data Collection”

The Obama Administration is building a huge data center in Bluffdale, Utah whose role is to capture and store all data everyone in this country (and most of the world) transmits. You read that right.

“Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication,” wrote James Bamford in Wired Magazine, “including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails — parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital ‘pocket litter.’”

While having your entire on-line life tracked and stored in Utah is pretty creepy, the more pressing issue is how government officials plan to use this data and how they are collecting it. To mine its value, they need to order it to make searches, filtering and lists possible. You need a strategy and while Obama officials have been pretty open about what they’re building, they are closed-mouth about what they intend to do with it.

We know they are working hard on developing code-breaking technology which would allow them to read data which is super-encrypted, the last wall of privacy and protection we have. We also know that, to get this data, they have a remarkable system of surveillance that includes direct capture (capturing data from your on-line sessions), satellite surveillance and the tapping (through easily available data captures) of major information gatherers like Google and Yahoo. The fact that they plan to open this center in September, 2013 means that the intense surveillance and data gathering is in place. You are now never alone.

“Internet Usage Restriction”

If you’re conducting a war, you can’t have people running around the battlefield trading information and distributing it because, after all, you need secrecy. But collecting and distributing information is entirely what the Internet is about.

No reasonable person expects the entire shut-down of the Internet but the curtailment of on-line expression is now happening and getting worse, re-defining the meaning of free speech and making it an embattled concept.

Under the law, for instance, any corporation or individual can claim you are violating their copyright and demand you remove offending material from a website. You can challenge and litigate that but it doesn’t really matter because, under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act your web hosting service faces huge penalties if they keep the site on-line and the copyright violation is proven. So, to avoid the legal fees and the risk, they’ll just wipe your website. This happens all the time.

If the hosting service stands strong — as some progressive providers do — the people claiming the violation will just go “upstream” to the company that provides your web hosting service’s connection to the Internet and, to avoid legal problems, that “upstream provider” will just unplug the server. Servers host many websites, sometimes in the hundreds, and other services and so not only do you lose your site but everyone else on the server has theirs taken off-line. And this happens without even going in front of a judge.

Sure, there is still robustly exercised “freedom of speech” on the Internet. But the laws are in place to curtail it and, if the government wants, it can (and will) curtail. It’s a modern-day version of benevolent dictatorship which can, as history demonstrates, become pretty darn malevolent pretty fast.” End of quote. For full article see linked site source above.

N4TM Commentary:

CISPA and Obama’s Executive Order on Cyber-”Security” are not to keep companies protected or to share data with the Government. We are not stupid.

All I want to know is, “Who are you looking for?”

Data mining is about Control and Power. The NWO doesn’t need more money, they really don’t need anymore power, they own the world. So, WHO are “they” looking for? What’s all the hubbub about, bub?

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Barack Obama addresses Planned Parenthood in Speech for “Choice”

baptistpress (@baptistpress) tweeted at 5:10 AM on Sat, Apr 27, 2013: Obama was first sitting president to address Planned Parenthood, which performed 333,964 abortions in 2010-11 http://t.co/YJpIsFGWNiThis is a Rt (retweet). No link is ever an endorsement.

WASHINGTON (BP) — President Obama addressed the nation’s largest abortion provider Friday (April 26), criticizing pro-life laws on the state level and saying that those who wish to restrict or ban abortion are trying to turn back “progress.”
Obama never mentioned the word “abortion” during his speech at the Planned Parenthood gala, preferring words such as “choice.” Planned Parenthood performed a record 333,964 abortions during 2010-11, the most recent year for which statistics are available.
He became the first sitting president to address Planned Parenthood.

“After decades of progress there’s still those who want to turn back the clock to policies more suited to the 1950s than the 21st century,” Obama said. “And they’re involved in an orchestrated and historic effort to roll back basic rights when it comes to women’s health. Forty-two states have introduced laws that would ban or severely limit access to a woman’s right to choose.”

He mentioned, by name, two states: North Dakota and Mississippi.

“In North Dakota, they just passed a law that outlaws your right to choose, starting as early as six weeks,” he told the crowd.

The law in question would prohibit abortion based on when the unborn child has a heartbeat, which could be as soon as six weeks into gestation. It is expected to be challenged in court.

In Mississippi, Obama said, “a ballot initiative was put forward that could not only have outlawed your right to choose but could have had all sorts of other far-reaching consequences.”

He was referring to a personhood initiative, defeated at the Mississippi ballot in 2011, that would have defined the term “person” to include “every human being from the moment of fertilization.” It lost, partially because pro-lifers in the state were divided over it and partially because opponents made the campaign about everything but abortion.

“When you read about these laws,” Obama said, “you want to check the calendar. You want to make sure you’re still living in 2013. Forty years after the Supreme Court affirmed a woman’s constitutional right to privacy, including the right to choose, we shouldn’t have to remind people that when it comes to a woman’s health, no politician should get to decide what’s best for you.”

He then added, “The only person who should get to make decisions about your health is you. That’s why we fought so hard to make healthcare reform a reality.”

Planned Parenthood, he said in affirming the organization’s mission, “is not going anywhere.”

“It’s not going anywhere today, it’s not going anywhere tomorrow,” Obama said. -Source Baptist press see full article linked to above.

See also, http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/04/watch-obamas-planned-parenthood-speech.html

Most recent news on trial for “Dr.” Kermit Gosnell who is accused of murdering babies that were born alive. Dr Kermit Gosnell baby killer

“Gosnell is charged in the 2009 overdose death of a woman patient, and in the deaths of seven babies allegedly born alive. Lewis says she sometimes cut the clinic’s usual dose of anesthesia and painkillers after seeing patients she feared would not awake from sedation. She stopped assisting with the abortions by 2008, but still gave out medications as a front-desk clerk. The 31-year-old Lewis has pleaded guilty to related federal drug charges, and awaits sentencing. Gosnell’s lawyer says there were no live births at the clinic, and argues that the 41-year-old patient died of unforeseen complications.” Read more: NBC10 Philadelphia

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Abortion-Doctor-Gosnell-House-of-Horrors-Trial-Philadelphia-199010891.html

http://news.yahoo.com/defense-rests-murder-trial-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-175544282.html

Barack Obama speech to Planned Parenthood 2013Obama is anti-life, anti-God, and anti-American. He is a perversion and ruled by a demonic spirit. He rules the US government in like manner. Friends, you’re being manipulated and deceived. Think about it. ~N4TM

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DO NOT believe Beck

Things have gotten to a whole new level of weirdness. Without having the time to explain, I simply ask you to not believe Glenn Beck and his new level of insanity. Reader, please be careful. Test all things.

Here’s an update on why I posted this latest warning on Glenn Beck. I saw several tweets this afternoon by BeckBots (my term for those who follow Glenn Beck blindly and defend him vehemently) that Glenn Beck is Warning Barack Obama to tell the truth to the public or ‘he’ (Glenn Beck) will. There is a WND (World Net Daily) article that is helping in this propaganda. I just viewed this YouTube video posted by Right Wing Media:

I don’t know exactly what Glenn Beck is trying to do, but he has a lot of followers who follow everything he says without any consideration for whom Glenn Beck really serves. I’ve warned extensively about Glenn Beck and that Christians should stop listening to him. Glenn Beck is a liar and a deceiver and he’s been leading Christians away from the truth. Beck is serving Mammon, he worships a false christ, and he is deceiving many for an even greater evil than his belly. If Glenn is being used to stir the American people into a frenzy of false information he would certainly qualify as a useful idiot for the role. He’s revered enough to instigate a civil disruption, of which would only serve Obama’s purposes. I don’t for a second believe Glenn Beck is on the side of “Truth” or the “American Way.” Here is the WND article: click here. I do not endorse WND, the founders of WND are connected to CNP and Jesuits. Beck has hosted Jesuit, Ret. General William Gerry Boykin. There appears to be a severe spiritual purpose behind these latest actions. I caution those who claim to be born again Christians who follow Glenn Beck to test him and his motives. We are not to believe every spirit but we should be testing them to see if they are truly followers of Christ. One key consideration, who is the author of Confusion? Is Glenn Beck causing confusion and hysteria? He keeps his readers and listeners in a constant state of frenzy and hopelessness as though impending doom lurks around every corner, is that Christ-like?

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Todays Headlines Breaking News and Short Synopsis N4TM style

Here’s a quick recap of today’s news:

Boston-Marathon-Immigrant-Runners-wrongly accusedThe two men who were considered suspects, whose photo was released by CNN and New York Post, were refuted this morning by Drudge Report: “I didn’t Do it” read the headline, the link was to the story below.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/teen-boston-marathon-bomber/story?id=18990057#.UXBAY7WcdXarunners named as suspects WRONGfully

This poor kid was being accused of Domestic Terrorism (that’s what I’m calling it even though no official word from Obama’s White House or FBI has even called it that) and turned himself in to authorities to prove he was not a bomber he is a runner who was there to watch the race! Apparently the huge lobby from the Neo-cons to predetermine every heinous act of violence done on American soil must be done by Al Qaeda has been successful. The brainwashed religious right was right there to jump to the conclusion that the Boston Bombings were committed by Islamic Terrorists. This sickens me, especially in light of all the readily available information and the fact that other activities within the US point to a Domestic Terror act, but I’m getting ahead of myself here, and I already wrote my theory here.

After the MSM spent the better half of the morning back tracking on these two men they no sooner turned their glazed eyes over to Barack Obama in Boston for the “LIvE” feed of him at an Interfaith service for the Boston Marathon Victims.

Obama by Ben HeineI had the misfortune of watching it live and had to hear the Potus quote scripture. The man is in direct opposition to God’s word so it does bother me just a smidge when he quotes from it. As one fellow tweeter put it, “When Obama quotes the bible it’s sacrilege.” He sounded like he was campaigning, or in the least stumping and that’s just low even for Obama it’s low. We runners run for reasons not political and we don’t need Potus giving pep talks and giving us new running slogans. Moving on…

Next up, while everyone was distracted with Obama’s “Spirit” rally there was a vote in the House on a gun measure, Barrasso #717 (privacy) amendment to S.649 (AKA Reid’s Gun Control bill), it is related to the Gun Bill that was voted on yesterday. Much of the gnarly parts of the bill were shot down yesterday, seven out of nine amendments were voted on yesterday, two remained today to be voted on. #717 had to do with keeping gun owners privacy and it was voted in favor, so it was good it passed. I haven’t checked back on the last piece that needed a vote.

“WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), successfully included an amendment to (S. 649) that protects law abiding gun owners across the nation from having their private gun ownership information released to the public.  The amendment passed the Senate by a vote of 67 to 30.

Barrasso’s amendment # 717 specifically withholds 5-percent of Community Oriented Policing Services program funding if a state or local government publicly releases information on individuals that have licenses to purchase, possess, or carry firearms. The withheld money will be redistributed to compliant states.  The amendment also has a criminal investigation and court proceedings exception.” ;-) yeah finally some good news. Source Here.

Wait more bad news! #CISPA passed today also. This CISPA, or H.R. 624, was presented by a Republican and a Democrat. It passed; however, it is not a favored piece of legislation by the LEFT. Weird I know. This same piece of legislation has had a make-over and it is a sort of triple cross. The original CISPA was opposed by Ron Paul at one time. Where is that guy by the way? Today’s CISPA was rewritten by a bi-partisan group and was passed even though Barack Obama threatened to Veto it if it passed. But why would he VETO it if he already passed an Executive Order Cyber security Law that never went to the house? Wouldn’t that mean he looks opposed to something he’s not truly opposed to, and doesn’t that make the Republicans look equally hypocritical since they acted opposed to Obama’s version of CISPA but rewrote one of their own? It appears as if both parties are in favor of prying into our private internet activities. But wait, China’s spying on us and stealing our pattens and trade secrets, that is why it is crucial to US Government security that they have the ability to read and store your emails and tweets. Because you may not know it, but you my friend are a spy!

china vs US cartoon imageXi Jinping, John KerryCISPA passes house Obama threatens to Veto

Obama signs long-awaited cybersecurity executive order- Source Cnet (feb.2013)

U.S. National Security Adviser Warns China of Further Cyber Crimes-Source Defense.org

US House of Representatives passes CISPA cybersecurity bill

If you don’t believe you’re a spy, maybe invoking the Boston Bombing would cause you to vote for CISPA (the 4th amendment shredder)? Congressman Mike McCaul did so this morning:

“But perhaps the most eyebrow-raising comments of all came from Texas Republican Mike McCaul, who invoked the Boston bombings on the House floor this morning to argue why passing the bill was so important.

“What recent events in Boston demonstrate is that we have to come together, as Republicans and Democrats, to get this done in the name of national security. And this case in Boston, they were real bombs, explosive devices–in this case, they’re digital bombs. And these digital bombs are on their way.” Source: Mediaite

The Real Bombers? FBI Released the images of two suspects (not the above “middle eastern looking” men) who are for sure this time, the real bombers of the Boston Marathon.

Pardon my suspicion and pessimism in not believing what the FBI says. I would ask my readers to simply reflect on Benghazi. Remember that the whole DOD, White House Administration, Secretary of State, the State Department, claimed the cause of the attack on US Ambassador in Benghazi Libya had to do with a Youtube video. Ok, I rest my case.

If you can’t remember that story I present to you misinformation piece #2 in the case of Identifying the Boston Bombers (misinformation piece #1 was the first story on this post)

AP Disinfo Wed 4.17.13 suspect in custody Boston Marathon tweet

The Associated Press released this tweet yesterday, Wednesday April 17, 2013 that a suspect was taken into custody and was on their way to the Federal Court in Boston!

A lot of mis/dis-information is spewing out. The FBI claims it has video of one of the two most recent suspects leaving one of the bombs (pressure cookers) at one of the respective explosion sites.

I say, “Release the video.” Right now the FBI released this video of the two men walking with their backpacks in the crowd. Still photos of the same men show that there are many others in the crowd with Black backpacks. But we are to believe these two men are the bombers. Although I don’t want to post their photo here I will link to it so you can see for yourself if you live under a rock and haven’t seen the photo yet. Here’s the FBI’s video:

If you really want your head to spin this website (4chan) has a ton of pictures of people who have black backpacks and look out of place. I see the one I posted yesterday is on this site too, hence, the photo I posted is probably mis/dis-isnfo provided to me via google. They can flood the internet with tons of bunny trails you know. Oh, I said, “they.” My bad! Now I sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Last story of the day, for N4TM to report on, is the Explosion in “West” Texas. This explosion at a Fertilizer Plant resulted in a measured 2.1 magnitude on the Richter scale, and has seen little light of day on MSM.

“A massive explosion has rocked a fertilizer plant near Waco, Texas. Dozens have been confirmed killed, while authorities are reportedly warning residents that they should evacuate town as soon as possible.

The explosion occurred around 7:50pm local time in the town of West, north of Waco. A fireball of nearly 100 feet high has been reported along with a massive power outage.

Law enforcement is advising residents to leave town immediately,” West’s school district tweeted, potentially due to fears of another explosion.

Seventy people had been confirmed killed by the blast by late evening Thursday, as reported by KHOU, the local CBS News affiliate, with “hundreds injured.“  Local news KXXV reports that among the dead are five firefighters and one police officer. State officials have yet to confirm these numbers.

Sixty-one others have been confirmed as admitted to Hillcrest Hospital in Waco, just one of the multiple emergency facilities in the area.” Source RT

The Texas Explosion is of course “not related” to the Boston Bombings. As I’m sure this isn’t either: Costa Mesa man blew himself up according to police (on April 15,2013 5:54am PST)

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Breaking News: #CISPA PASSED

RT (@RT_com) tweeted at 10:16 AM on Thu, Apr 18, 2013: BREAKING: US House of Representatives passes CISPA cybersecurity bill (DETAILS) http://t.co/mI7ehvojeU (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/324934415073550336) Get the official Twitter app at https://twitter.com/download

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Boston Marathon Bombing Was Direct Attack-Coordinated to Make a Political Statement

The twin bombings were no random act of terror. They were not the result of some “Islamic” terrorist organization. The MSM (Main Stream Media) is doing it’s up most to not draw any parallels between the fact that the 2013 Boston Marathon was cloaked in Newtown overtones. Here are some facts being dismissed or otherwise discounted:

  • The bombings happened on the last section of the Marathon, 26 mile marker had a memorial flag for “Newtown.”
  • The start of the race there was a 26 second moment of silence for the victims of Newtown.
  • There was a 6 member team of Newtown runners that were running the race who had just crossed the finish line before the bombs went off.
  • Friday before the race a parent of a Sandy Hook victim took Obama’s spot in the Weekly Address normally given by Barack Obama. See here for that post.

On April 11th this article was published:

Newtown Strong Tshit 20mi each kid.last6miteachersBOSTON —” The Boston Marathon is honoring the victims of the Newtown, Conn., shooting with a special mile marker in Monday’s race.Boston Athletic Association president Joanne Flaminio said there was “special significance” to the fact that the race is 26.2 miles long and 26 people died at Sandy Hook Elementary school.
Laura Nowacki, a spokeswoman for the Newtown Strong Fund, says the runners will hit Heartbreak Hill knowing it’s nothing like the pain felt by the runners back home. She says, “It’s just running, but we want our steps to count.”The mile marker that will hang at the end of the 26th mile will feature the city seal surrounded by 26 stars, one for each victim.There will also be 26 seconds of silence at the start before the race. ” Source Washington Post
“Team Newtown Strong- Newtown Strong Fund” has a Facebook page you can find here. An update was posted after the bombings to their page stating that all those running for Newtown Strong made it safe across the finish line. See here for link and to read through comments.
Here’s another report by Hartford Currant.com:

“Connecticut had more than 400 runners in the Boston Marathon, including nine running on behalf of Newtown Strong. Lisa Abrams is the wife of one of those runners and reflects on the tragedy in Boston.” Source: Currant.com

The Boston Marathon’s Final Mile Was Dedicated to Newtown Victims- source The Atlantic

An excerpt:

Joann e flaminio. jim koch and bill rogers“Boston Athletic Association president Joanne Flaminio (pictured left) said before the race that had a ”special significance” because it was 26.2 miles Mile 26 Newtown emblem 26 stars and school colorslong and there was 26 victims in the Newtown attack. There was also a group of Newtown parents running as part of a group called Team Newtown Strong who were raising money for local charities. A banner honoring the victims, hung at the end of the 26th mile, can be seen in the photo (right).

“In the first twenty miles we’re honoring the twenty Sandy Hook first graders,” Laura Nowacki, a spokesperson for Newtown Strong, explained to WBUR Boston. “When we crest Heartbreak Hill, and we’re coming back towards Boston, we run the final six for our six fallen educators, including their lives, to protect our children.”

There was a 26-second moment of silence for the victims before the race started.

Update, 4:07 p.m. Eastern: Newtown families were reportedly seated in the VIP section right by where the explosions went off. There’s no word whether they are among the 23 injured and two dead from the explosions. Click here for updates.” Source see above hypertext “The Atlantic”

Another link to Newtown Connection to Boston Marathon: Source CBS “Newtown families encounter tragedy once more at Boston Marathon”

How is Newtown connected to the Boston Marathon Bombings and No Mass Media is drawing the parallels that this could be Domestic Terrorism with a specific target and was planned well in advance for the purpose of making a huge political statement?

**This is N4TM Commentary/Synopsis not to be considered credible or verified with any documentation. This is purely my own rationale and reasoning of the information that I have gathered on my time.**

As noted in the MSNBC video above, Newtown’s presence and commemoration is being report on; however, it is virtually absent from the pundits as they postulate motives as to why someone would attack the Marathon itself. The MSM is trying to report on these two events as though they are compartmentalized into two separate occurrences that just so happen to be a part of the same event. There have been other Marathons since Sandy Hook Elementary School was ambushed by Adam Lanza, so why Boston Marathon, why now?

It was reported almost immediately after the bombs went off that the timing of these bombs going off at/near the end of the race (4 hours from start time) had to do with the possibility of the bomber(s) wanting to hit a big group of people and that a majority of people come in to the finish at the 4 hour marker. This postulation doesn’t make sense. Boston Marathon is highly visible, there are in the least local news groups covering the event, there is a live stream feed of the event, and there are big names that start the run for both male and female categories. Coverage peaks at the 2 hour markers when the elites are rolling past the finish line and then teeters out following their completion. A huge majority of the friends and family of those entrants are waiting on the sides in the last .2 miles of the race. Who was the target? Was it the Newtown bystanders who were cheering on Team Newtown Strong? Or was it the Team itself which had just passed the finish line moments before the bomb went off? For those who don’t know about Marathons let alone this marathon, friends and family can track their participant by chip time and by pace time. There is a website you go to and enter the registrants name and or bib number and you can follow them along the course ‘virtually’ or literally if you are there in person. Why is there no mention that it’s too coincidental that this attack was aimed at, or for the purpose of, garnering more attention to Newtown? It seems pretty obvious to me now that I have all this information.

Please Do Not Believe the Hype! Do not believe the lies of the MSM that this is Islamic terror or has anything to do with Al Qaeda. The US administration has been working WITH Al Qaeda in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc to get their dirty work done of overthrowing elected Government Officials in said countries. US Senator John McCain and US Secretary of State John Kerry help aid, fund, and arm Al Qaeda cells (the good ones that work with the ‘US’) so please don’t believe the hype that some Islamic Bomb Cookbook written by Al Qaeda is what set off the events at Boston, it’s a lie and a distraction.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I just try to think for myself and not buy all the MSM propaganda. Let’s take some steps back and try to reason and figure out what’s going on. There are some puzzle pieces that are becoming clear and I may be way off and totally speculating but it’s a hunch and I’m going to throw some things out there and you can take them or leave them it’s totally up to you.

A) All we’ve heard about lately is “Newtown.” For some reason Obama became hell bent on pushing Gun Control measures after Newtown. It wasn’t Tucson, or Aurora, it was after Newtown that the anti-gun lobby became fierce. Obama didn’t even run on gun restrictions but he certainly got busy with the topic once he was sworn in. The WH administration via DHS has sought to buy up all the ammo to disarm us since they can’t pass a law yet–just wait it’s going to the floor for a vote possibly TOMORROW. See Here

B) Another civil liberty we’ve enjoyed thus far is the 4th Amendment. Perhaps you are unaware, as I was until an alert friend of mine pointed this out, CISPA also known as H.R. 624 is going to a vote this week (next 48 hrs) also. This is that little Internet law where all authority of the Internet, social media, etc., is given to (?) Congress? the President? DHS? in the event of a Cyber Attack? What? I know, it sounds like Conspiracy but it’s a real law that aims to seize and control our Free Speech and our right to lawful search and seizure.

C) All weekend a poor patsy named Marco Rubio was on talk shows yapping up Immigration Reform, another law set to hit the voting floor soon. And we were told by him that it’s “Not Amnesty.” However, it looks like amnesty, smells like amnesty, and squawks like amnesty. This law was being sold as the alternative to the Gun Law because as we have been reassured repeatedly through MSM, the Gun Law stands no chance of passing. However, VP Biden has been touting that they “have the votes” to pass the Gun Restrictions, but he says a lot of stuff we don’t believe.

Conclusion. I don’t believe the attack at the Boston Marathon was Islamic Terror. I don’t believe the attack at Boston Marathon was random. I don’t believe that it was coincidence that Team Newtown Strong was just past the finish line and their supporters where in the VIP section near where the bombs went off. I don’t believe the “Pressure Cooker” story. I don’t believe there are any Al Qaeda links to the bombing in Boston. I don’t believe there are any more targets or plots. I don’t believe the ATF or the FBI or DHS has the capacity to tell the truth the American people. I don’t believe MSM. I don’t read alternative news sites like Alex Jones or Glenn Beck. I don’t get my news from seedy conspiracy websites. I have learned to watch the actions of a government who continually lies to the US public and uses Cable news outlets to perpetuate their lies. I don’t know if striking the Newtown mile 26 was someone’s attempt to completely wipe out the survivors of Newtown or to simply maim and strike fear into the hearts and minds of all who are still on the fence of passing strict Gun Laws. I am not privy to any information that is classified nor do I have the means to fly out to Boston and attend press conferences and ask those in charge my questions.

  • Why did the Boston Athletics Association chose to make this years Marathon political by cloaking it in Newtown references, symbolism, and commemoration?
  • How long was the public made aware that Boston Marathon 2013 was Dedicated to Newtown?
  • Did the planners of the Marathon receive any threats after the public was made aware that the Marathon was dedicated to Newtown (Sandy Hook) victims?
  • Is it coincidence that Obama put a Newtown Parent in his seat on Friday’s Weekly address to the nation? Is it coincidence that on the morning of the Boston Marathon bombing he was sitting across Savannah Guthrie of NBC Today show taping an interview pleading his case that “After Newtown” Americans want stricter Gun laws?

I don’t believe in coincidence.

Gun-Buyer Background Checks to Get U.S. Senate Vote Today- Source Bloomberg

**Breaking News Update**

(CNN) **update on Breaking news: Now Cnn and others are backing off reports that a suspect had been taken into custody. Operation send Twitter into a frenzy, successful. :-p
[Breaking news update at 1:47 p.m. Wednesday ]

An arrest has been made in the Boston bombings investigation based on two videos showing images of the suspect, a federal law enforcement source told CNN’s Fran Townsend.

Also,

PD: 2 suspicious letters found at Senator Jeff Flake’s office

Jeff Flake was poised to vote against the Gun law today, whereas his senior Senator John McCain was willing to compromise and vote in favor of Stricter Gun Laws today. A Ricin scare has resulted in the closure, “Evacuation,” of the first floor of the US Senate offices. see here:
“Letters” have been sent to Obama as well. Today’s an eventful day in breaking news. I’ll be tweeting faster updates.

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Breaking News: Boston Marathon 2013 Runners Bombed at Finish Line

Warning: Graphic Images (See *Update at Bottom of Post)

Boston Marathon bombing BLURED Edited 4.22.13Today’s events took place at 2:57 EST near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. A bomb went off followed immediately by a second explosion. This area was near the finish line around the 4 hour mark of the run where the majority of runners come in to the finish line. I began following the story on Twitter and was tweeting as quickly as things were becoming available. Initial reports were that a third explosion at JFK Library was related to the bombings at the Boston Marathon and those reports have later been downsized to state that it was a fire now being claims as “unrelated” to the bombings. Air traffic was grounded in and around the Boston area of the marathon and supposedly cell phone service was being blocked to prohibit any further remote detonations by cell phone. Many other states and counties were taken to a heightened state of alert over the attacks, like, Washington DC, San Francisco area, Los Angeles County, and New York, to name a few. My twitter account is set to private so you would have to request a follow from me directly to see my tweets but certainly you can find out breaking news on twitter by various “Legitimate” news sources. One News agency that seemed to get information faster than Fox News and CNN was- The Boston Globe of the UK and Breaking News on Twitter. I happen to think I follow excellent news sources. For live breaking news Cable News seems too slow nowadays.

Let me say as a Runner this tragedy is heartbreaking. To think someone would target innocent runners who are just out trying to fulfill a dream of “Running Boston” is beside me. I don’t understand who would do this or why target innocent civilians. This was not a political event or arena. This running event is attended by people of all walks of life, all nationalities, all creeds, and gives people something to strive for in doing their best when it comes to their physicality. It’s a shame this had to happen. So many people who simply love the sport of running are having that taken from them. My heart goes out to those suffering, those family members who are perplexed and in pain right now. My prayers are with those who were there today.

Reports are that 2 have died, although I did see one report by New York Post that stated 12 had died, and over 100 are injured. By “injured” this means many have lost limbs, and it’s gruesome. There are videos on YouTube already and countless loops being played on cable news shows showing the horrific event.

Authorities in Boston have initiated “Social Distancing” by telling the public to not go outdoors, to not congregate in groups, and to stay in their homes. Other sports events and public events are being cancelled in response to this.

At the time of this post there is one person of interest and this person is being carefully guarded, although he is denying any involvement. Because this is a fluid event with ongoing updates I may come and edit or update this post to avoid having multiple posts on the same topic. Today evil arose again to strike at the core of our humanity. Terrorism is going to continue unfortunately, and our current administration is attempting to take our civil liberties away from us including our ability to protect ourselves from danger; so, what are we left to do when all matter of human power and will fail us? We submit to our Lord God who made us. We beseech Him in all His might and awesome authority that are we are at His mercy. May God help those who were there today in Boston and may He help all of us to remember Him.

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/15/explosions-rock-boston-marathon-finish-line-dozens-injured/yLhfDT1XC3HXSa8wPiVijL/story.html

**UPDATE**

N4TM has learned that this year’s Marathon at Boston <<was>> purposefully made a Political Event! I did not know this until moments ago that the entire event was cloaked in “Newtown” in memoriam. This new information is highly disturbing and offensive to me. Whereas I thought this was simply a random act now appears to be more covert and truly sinister. Here’s the information on the Newtown overtones for Boston Marathon 2013:

“Not only was a team from the town running to raise money for a scholarship fund, the 26th mile was dedicated to the first-graders and school workers gunned down by Adam Lanza on Dec. 14.

Marathon organizers created a custom marker for the 26th mile with the Sandy Hook Elementary school colors and 26 stars circling the town emblem. A 26-second moment of silence was held at the start of the race.” Source: NBC

I hate to draw attention to the fact that this sounds incredibly suspicious and desperately wicked, or to have to be the one to suggest that this could be a “False Flag.” A “False Flag” for those who are unfamiliar with the term is something that is done maliciously by groups and/or organizations (Government and Private) that seeks to destroy/kill/maim for the sole purpose of instigating the ‘change’ they seek to be done. Some believe that events like 9-11 and Oklahoma City Bombing (anniversary 4.19.1995) were “false flag” events that sought to take away our civil liberties. I don’t ring those same bells, although I don’t doubt that there are people capable of doing such a thing. I just didn’t want to have to be the one to report that in this case especially while the blood on the streets in Boston remain wet. I just can’t believe that some idiot would make this whole Marathon about “Newtown.” Apparently those in the Newtown groups that were running are “Ok.” Yes they unharmed but many are not and isn’t that the point of this attack? Is the point of the attack to say, “You could be Newtown, this could be you.” That is just sheer sick. So some sick and twisted anti-gun person decides to set up bombs on the 26th mile, right where it’s dedicated to Newtown, and we’re meant to think this is a random act? Or worse, an attack by a “Right-winged” nut job? No, a right winged nut job wouldn’t do this, but someone trying to exploit Newtown and squeeze the American people like a turnip to surrender their constitutional rights would do something like this. I’m not going to name names but one comes to mind immediately. I pray I’m wrong. I truly do.

Mile 26 Newtown emblem 26 stars and school colorsClick Image to enlarge and notice the “Town of Newtown” emblem with 26 stars around it.

**Update* 4/24/2013* for the full image of the one above that N4TM altered as of 4-22-13 at 11:00 pm you can click on this link: https://twitter.com/passantino/status/323905912081367040 492 people retweeted it, the twitter status shows where Passantino got it from, which was John Tulmacki of the Boston Globe. Tulmacki was at the Boston Marathon’s finish line when the explosions happened and uploaded his pictures and video directly to the Boston Globe. On the day of the bombing I was viewing Fox News which is an affliate of Boston Globe UK who was supplying the images and video of the explosions. Remember, Fox News/Boston Globe are owned by parent company NewsCorp, a Ruppert Murdoch enterprise. Some of you may know that Ruppert Murdoch is a Jesuit and that another co-owner of his company NewsCorp is a Saudi Prince. Also, don’t forget, Mr. Glenn Beck worked for Fox News and has visited the Vatican and has also hosted Jesuit Rt.General William Gerry Boykin several times on his new show GBTV.

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Sandy Hook Parent gives Weekly Address from White House in lieu of Barack Obama

Newtown Mom Pleads For Gun Control At White House- article source CBS-DC

I dare not take away from this mother’s plea to see something good come out of her loss. I cannot imagine losing one of my children to such a horrific event or anything else that could strike without warning such as an illness or another sort of accidental death. I don’t have any experience with that sort of pain or loss and I cannot speak to it other than to comfort someone with the hope that is in Jesus that He works all things to the good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose (Romans 8:28).

What I do find hard to understand is the politicizing that parents themselves do soon after their children are killed. I just don’t comprehend how a parent who is in the middle of grieving their loss can find the wherewithal to  petition Congress, visit the President, or stop and take time out for interviews.

The Gun Debate Trumps Human Suffering

It seems that it is all the rage to get out and stand in front of a political platform rather than stopping to grieve and mourn for loved ones who are killed. Some parents forfeit their own spiritual and emotional experience to make a political statement.

Last weekend it was reported that Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest California had lost his son to a self-inflicted act of suicide. Immediately there were those who have such a deep hatred for the man that they gave no grace in allowing him and his family to grieve but rather set out to mock him and his loss. I have written my fair share of warnings against Rick Warren, and I believe he’s a false teacher and thus leading people into apostasy; however, I am not and was not prepared to even make a statement of his recent loss out of respect because he is still a human being and I assumed he was in great pain and anguish over losing his son. Imagine my dismay as I read this latest headline:

“Rick Warren: Son bought ‘unregistered gun’” source:CNN

and saw this tweet: “Someone on the Internet sold Matthew (Rick’s son) an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God’s forgiveness. I forgive him.” Rick Warren April 13 7:44 pm.

Rick Warren politics ovr sons suicide

Using his own son’s death/suicide for political purposes is low, even for Rick Warren. It’s a shame that he would do this. I wasn’t going to even mention his son’s death out of respect for a parent grieving, but clearly he’s done grieving and moving forward with Gun Control as a topic. I can only shake my head in dismay.

What happened at Sandy Hook was horrific. It was monstrous what was done and only pure evil could commit such an act. I do not believe that all of America must suffer and lose their gun rights over a coward of a man who was demon possessed and sought to kill innocent children. Mr. Warren’s son was plagued with depression, mental illness, and suffered for many years. I read here that Rick and his son Matthew had a conversation where Matthew asked his father (Rick Warren), [Direct Quote]

“But only those closest knew that he struggled from birth with mental illness, dark holes of depression, and even suicidal thoughts. In spite of America’s best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided. Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life.

Kay and I often marveled at his courage to keep moving in spite of relentless pain. I’ll never forget how, many years ago, after another approach had failed to give relief, Matthew said ” Dad, I know I’m going to heaven. Why can’t I just die and end this pain?” but he kept going for another decade.” Source CNN

It’s a shame that Matthew Warren ended up taking his own life. Depression and mental illness is a serious problem in our nation–so is SIN; however, because one man killed himself with an unregistered gun is still no reason to take away gun rights of law abiding citizens. I don’t know what more to say. Perhaps I’ll leave you with these videos and with these parent’s words (other Sandy Hook parents).

**End Note** For those who are suffering with depression please do not take such drastic measures as Matthew Warren. If you are a Christian who suffers with mental illness or must take medicine for severe depression please know that I do not stand in judgement of that and that God can still reach you where you are. It is a contrite spirit that satisfies the Lord. He is capable of meeting your needs and His grace is sufficient. Do not despair, the Lord God is with you.

“And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.” 2 Cor 12:9

“Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.” Ps 55:22

“Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.” Deut 31:6

http://kingjbible.com/romans/8.htm

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Chuck Smith Jr Writes N4TM: Chuck Smith Jr’s Response to Being a “Straight Ally For Gay Christians” among other things

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Remarkable! It was interesting to read that I am “an advocate” for homosexual Christians. This is an example of either inadequate research or selective reporting–either one, in my opinion, demonstrates a lack of integrity. In that same video interview posted above, I explicitly stated that “I am not an advocate” for gay and lesbian Christians.

Have I sat “in the company” of homosexuals in conferences without delivering a word of judgment against them? Yes, I have. I went to them the way Jesus came into the world, not to condemn, but to save. And as He was sent into the world, so He sent His disciples into the world (Jn. 3:17; 17:18; 20:21). How many of these conferences have you been invited to come and speak? If none, how are do you plan on getting the gospel to gays and lesbians? Do you care whether they hear the gospel? Is it not your calling or concern?

You are misinformed regarding my contact with Roman Catholicism. I have never advocated for, or endorsed Thomas Merton. However, if he said something quotable that glorified God, I would not shrink back from quoting him. If Paul was comfortable quoting pagan poets and prophets, why should I avoid quoting someone whose beliefs I do not fully share? (Acts 17:28; Titus 1:12) There is a well-known fallacy of logic, argumentum ad hominem, which states that if you discredit the person, you discredit his argument, which in this case is tantamount to saying “Thomas Merton” was a Trappist monk, so everything Thomas Merton said was wrong.” People who may be wrong about everything else can still be right on one thing. As John Warwick Montgomery, conservative Christian theologian and apologist, said, “It’s hard to be wrong about EVERYTHING.”

By the way, I miss the days when to be a Christian apologist one had to be well-versed in logic, theology, philosophy, history, and original languages, as well as have an excellent knowledge of the entire Bible. John W. Montgomery is one of the few well-known apologists who are the real deal.

I have never advocated Roman Catholic dogma. My understanding of “contemplative prayer” is not drawn from Roman Catholicism, but from the Scriptures and especially the Psalms–which have been the source of hymns, prayer, and spiritual songs of God’s people for millennia. I have read many Roman Catholic authors including John Cassian, St. Augustine, Anselm, and Thomas Aquinas (most bonafide Christian apologists have also read Anselm, Augustine, and Aquinas). Furthermore, my reading list includes several works by Russian and Greek Orthodox theologians. I have also read The Institutes of John Calvin (who was a great fan of Augustine and quotes him frequently) and a host of other theological works and biblical commentaries by evangelical and fundamentalist authors. Martin Luther was also deeply interested in contemplative spirituality and strongly endorsed the work “The Theological Germanica.” But the only books I read without filters are the sixty-six books of the Bible.

On the other hand, many Protestants have been misled by anti-Catholic authors who have invented historical connections between Roman Catholicism and ancient pagan religions (such as Alexander Hislop’s “Two Babylons”). Not that I am defending everything that Roman Catholics around the world believe or do in the name of their religion. Nevertheless, I would not be surprised if the percentage of Roman Catholics who actually please God by walking with Him every day is at least as high as the percentage of Protestants who do so. Although I personally disapprove of praying to saints, I cannot believe that it is any worse than self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

You are wrong about me (actually, the church where I was Senior Pastor at the time) being “kicked out” of CC on the grounds that we were “emergent.” By the way, mijadedios, your “dove club” label is an uncharitable stab, to say the least, despite how deeply you feel CC deserves your ridicule. Anyway, that misinformation, sadly, came from my Uncle Paul. On at least three different occasions I carefully explained to him why neither I nor CBC were emergent. But he wasn’t listening to me because he had another agenda. Since he seemed uncomfortable in my meeting with him and had difficulty getting around to the point for wanting to see me, I asked him if it would be easier for him if I just removed CBC from the CC affiliation. He was instantly relieved and said answered, “Yes.”

Paul and a couple of his buddies at CCOF (during that period of time) had heard rumors about me and CBC that they never sought to substantiate for themselves by contacting me or visiting the church. They led a campaign to malign our work and to get us removed from the CC affiliation. I did not resist them, because it was something that mattered more to them than it did to me. Years ago, God impressed upon my heart that He is not into “brand” names, that the only name He endorses is the name above all names–that of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

One of my uncle’s friends went on to slander me on blogs and in print, accusing me of spending a sabbatical in a monastery (I didn’t) and returning to my church to hang icons so that people could pray to them (never happened). There were thousands of people who attended CBC over the years, so it would be easy enough to find just one person to corroborate that author’s claim. But no one ever will, because I have never believed in praying to icons and never taught anyone to pray to icons.

As far as Lonnie goes, why don’t you talk to people who knew him in order to get at the truth? Why do you think you can learn everything you need to know from video clips, articles, and other blogs? Do you let other people read the Bible for you or do you read it for yourself? Do you take just bits and pieces of the Bible and dismiss the rest? If you don’t trust others enough to let them tell you what the Bible says, why do you give them your full trust when it comes to other Christians–Christians you could easily contact or whose close friends and family are reachable? Why are you so quick to find flaws in others and then rush to condemn them? Really! Do you believe this pleases God? In fact, among the things that God hates are “A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” (KJV, on David’s behalf–my first Bible and the version I read through cover-to-cover before reading through any other. It is also my dad’s favorite and that which he most frequently quotes verbatim.)

Lonnie did not consider himself a homosexual and he believed that homosexual sex was a sin. He never endorsed homosexuality. When I first heard of his past (i.e., prior to his conversion to Jesus Christ), he had renounced it and considered himself a “new creature in Christ.” He was married to Connie at the time and he certainly did not continue “to act out openly in gay relationships throughout his life” (I find this statement of N4TM’s especially offensive, because it is an outright lie). I witnessed times when Lonnie prayed over other people that they would be delivered from their temptation to engage in homosexual sex.

Lonnie and I did not remain friends through the years, mostly because we got on two different tracks in ministry with two different emphases. I was not his greatest fan, but I didn’t criticize him either. After all is said and done, Lonnie was a child of God who struggled.

What do we call it when someone attributes motives to another person without having an accurate (or even close to accurate) understanding of the details? Again, it is remarkable to me that Christians behave the way they do, assuming that because they’re convinced their doctrine is more orthodox than another person’s, they are justified in making up stories or motives about that person. What happened with our weekly meetings in the Fromm’s home was no “publicity stunt.” A few corrections:

Chuck Fromm is the publisher of Worship Leader Magazine, not Leadership (Journal). He did not “found” Maranatha! Music, but he did run it for approximately thirty-five years.

Chuck and Stephanie have had many Bible studies in their home. It was a neighbor’s complaint about our meetings there that involved the city government, which imposed a fine on the Fromms for hosting weekly meetings. The Fromm’s initial attempts to meet with the city government and work this out were ignored and then shut down. That is when the Pacific Justice Institute got involved (I don’t know what the ACLJ is, but I certainly don’t have access to it–or to the ACLU). The lawyers with the Pacific Justice Institute defend the rights of churches all over the U.S. (and were also strong proponents of Prop. 8). They had won a similar case in San Diego county the previous year. They took the issue to the press and within a few weeks the city issued an apology, admitted that their initial response to our meetings was too aggressive, promised to review the law on their books (prohibiting weekly meetings in homes), and the whole thing was quickly settled out of court. It’s true that the Pacific Justice Institute was interested in carrying the case further, hoping to get a landmark decision in a higher court, but that wasn’t what we wanted. In fact, we had already moved our Bible study by the time the city submitted its apology. If it had been a publicity stunt, we certainly would have carried it further. However, we never exploited the media attention that arrived at the Fromm’s front door and I never consented to an interview. From the start, I wanted peace with the city.

Good Grief, mijadedios! I don’t know what else to say, except that it’s simply rotten of you to glibly refer to this ordeal as a publicity stunt. For what purpose would we do such a thing? What got publicized? The name of our small community of believers was never mentioned. If you had any idea of what the Fromm’s suffered from this whole thing or if you had even a meager understanding of their love for the Lord Jesus Christ and devotion to His people, I doubt you would smugly dismiss this unhappy season of their lives as a publicity stunt. However, God who works all things together for good, used this experience to introduce the Fromm’s to city hall and they are now on good terms with the city’s leaders. In fact, Chuck Fromm is friends with the Mayor who is also a born again Christian.

Yes, I’ve sat in the radio station with my dad a few times to answer questions on Pastor’s Perspective over the last couple of years. Each time, it was at Dad’s request when Don Stewart was out of town. Whatever it may mean to you that my dad asked me to be a guest on his show, please present to me one instance when an answer I gave contradicted the clear teaching of the Bible. If you can prove that I misinterpreted the Scriptures, I will return to this blog site, apologize, and change my view. If you cannot, then why make a big deal about me going on the air with my father? Also, if you discover that I provided a biblical answer to someone that reflected both a good understanding of God’s word and compassion for the caller, would you consider apologizing to me?

unhihodedios

N4TM’s response:

I think the above, “unhihodedios,” was an attempt to say I’m not a child of God. Mija de Dios means Daughter of God. *It just occurred to me that this was Chuck Jr signing ‘Un hijo de dios’ translation: “A child of God.” Sorry, I don’t speak spanish so it took me a while to figure that one out.* I appreciate all you have to say here and I’m grateful to hear from you. It is more than I’ve heard from anyone I’ve written about. I have a lot to consider in what you are saying above and will take time to read through over and over and truly understand and discern the obvious aggravation from my accusations from the truth you are trying to convey. I’m glad you took the time to address the issues I brought up not just in the “Straight Ally for Gay Christians” piece I wrote, but you are also, very clearly, reading and addressing many posts I’ve written on Calvary Chapel including posts on Chuck From and Lonnie Frisbee. May I say that I do not harbor any personal hatred for you or even your father for that matter. What I do find heart wrenching and discouraging is the false teaching that’s been promoted for years, the lies that have been perpetuated, the people who have been used and abused by the CC system and much much more. But I am not about “Discrediting” or “Slandering” you. I was calling it as I see, yes with the limited information I have that I gather online, through hours of video, transcripts, personal experience, etc. Again I say, “Thank You,” and I will consider all the things you present here. I may take time to edit this reply after reading through your comment more carefully or I may chose to leave the issue alone, it depends on how the Lord leads.

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