Slick Rick Warren and “Papa” Chuck Smith Sr. Still Embracing After All These Years

While most of the Catholic world is waiting with abated breath for a new Pope to be chosen the Non-Denominational Ecumenical world still has their “Papa” (Pope); that is, Chuck Smith Sr of Calvary Chapel. Calvary Chapel spawned a blend of Charismatic Conservative type church movement after its stint as an Ecumenical playground for lost hippies during the 70′s. Chuck Smith Sr. dubbed as the founder of the hippie church, aka, “Jesus People Movement.” Although, Chuck was not the source of the growth it was rather his protegee, active homosexual, Lonnie Frisbee. Years later Calvary Chapel Movement cast off it’s more hyper-charismatic days in return for a yuppie style church that aimed to minister to it’s booming youth driven and modern centered style of worship. Chuck Smith Sr, a former Four-Square church pastor and child of a four-square pastor, found himself surrounded by young men who would continue to grow his movement. One notable young pastor was Greg Laurie. Greg was mentored by Lonnie Frisbee for a time and then later assumed a close relationship to another young up and coming soon-to-be mega pastor, Rick Warren. How do I know that Rick Warren has known Greg Laurie for decades? Rick Warren said so in an interview backstage of the Harvest Crusade in 2009.

What’s Wrong with Rick Warren he’s a philanthropist, a Pastor, a humanitarian!?

Rick Warren has notoriously misrepresented the bible, the actual scriptures. All this hoopla against Rick Warren started (as far as I personally remember) back in the early 2000′s with his book “The Purpose Driven Life.” When I was in CA attending a CC the women’s bible study group was going through the very book by Rick Warren. We never completed the study, which I was happy to end, because a certain man named Roger Oakland had warned “Papa” Chuck Smith about the many errors in the book and showed Rick Warren to be highly ecumenical in his theology. Oakland and others who make a living off of warning church goers against doctrinally unsound teachers all rallied with Oakland against Rick Warren, eventually “Papa” Chuck had no place to go but heed the warning and issue a Papal decree letter to all Calvary Chapel Pastors that the theology of Rick Warren was not biblical and his type of Christianity would not could not be endorsed at that time. This letter was issued in 2006 and was called, Parsons to Parsons, good like finding it. I didn’t need “Roger Oakland” to tell me that Rick Warren was off the mark scripturally. I could see Rick Warren’s misuse of scripture for myself when we (the ladies of the CC in CA) were doing that study. He misused scriptures, he took them out of context and distorted them to get his point across. It wasn’t until years later that I learned more about his “purpose” to redesign churches and move them away from teaching biblically sound doctrine to a quasi-motto-feel good don’t preach real doctrinal truths about God’s law and my sin, type of churches. [I've written extensively on Rick Warren and Chuck Smith use the search bar to the right.]

Today’s non Breaking News, the latest conglomeration of Smith and Warren has to do with this appearance on Pastor’s Perspective:

Rick and Chuck on Pastor’s Perspective http://www.kwve.com/podcasts/Pastor%27s%20Perspective%2002_26_13.m4a on February 26,2013

On a strange side note I found this post at Light House Trails: click image to enlarge

This post was not a “Statement” against the pairing, it was only a letter to the editor that was posted and then all of Roger Oakland’s posts related to his withdrawal from Calvary Chapel were listed with it. So officially it does not look like Light House Trails has said anything against Chuck Smith Sr for continuing to minister along side Rick Warren. They (LHT) are simply acknowledging that they know by showing this photo of the two. What do Roger Oakland’s posts have to do with Rick Warren and Chuck Smith continuing to work together? Roger Oakland never came out after the Embrace of 2009 and said, “Chuck Smith Senior, stop hanging out with Rick Warren!” or “Church, Look, Rick Warren The Compromised is imbedded into Calvary Chapel, get out now!” Roger Oakland never said anything of the sort in 2009, nor did any of his then compatriots of the Prophecy Speaking Circuit.

But N4TM, Didn’t Lighthouse Trails publish your post, “Woe,” on Chuck Smith and Rick Warren joining up in 2009?

Yes. Back in those days just after the Embrace of 2009 I waited patiently for all the famous “Men of God” who had warned me against Rick Warren to take to their bully pulpits and say something, anything, about Chuck Smith Sr. endorsing Rick Warren at the Harvest Crusade of 2009. No one spoke up, not one. I read nothing from Herescope, LHT, Hope for Today, Be Alert, UTT, etc. I waited for the respected “elders” of the group to say something and no one did. I was outraged at the silence so I spoke up. I had literally no one frequenting my blog at the time and it was only because I had a friend who knew the editors at LHT that my article got the small attention it did back then. It was quickly buried into the back of the closet, the article title changed, and more attention was given to a friend of Chuck’s who wrote a more politically correct “letter of concern” after my letter that was much more forward. It’s easy to erase history in the digital world of blogging.

*As a tip to readers who are truly trying to find the truth and have to muddle their way through various “Discernment” blogs always look for who the site endorses not just who they warn against and see if they are not compromised themselves. It is very possible to have ACME Discernment crew warning the church about Post-Modern, Emergent, New Age, Jewish Mysticism, and then by the same token they are endorsing their “authors” or “speakers” who go to churches who endorse the very doctrines they are supposedly warning you about. It’s a catch 22, no doubt and very confusing if you don’t know what/whom you are dealing with. As in the world, the compromised body of Christ also has a soft spot for Mammon. Mammon gets their speaker’s books and dvds sold, it gets them hits (visits to their sites), it gets them advertising, and not saying anything disparaging about the “leaders” who are estranged with the Apostate Church always buys them more time to sell more of their junk. It’s easy to figure out, it’s just horribly sad and discouraging. I know I’ve been there. In the end all of this is good news, because it draws our eyes to the Lord, the author and finisher of our faith. It reminds me (us) that there is only One Good Shepherd and that is Christ Jesus and no one man or two men can distract us from the truth of who God is when we put our faith, hope, and trust back on the one-the only one- who deserves it.

John 10:13-15 (KJV)

¹³ The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

¹⁴ I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

¹⁵ As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

The Pope is Resigning and I don’t care

OCTOBER 23rd 2011 Vatican Calls for “World Central Bank”

Pope Benedict XVI will be leaving the Vatican this week in a historical resignation not seen in over 600 years. The last pope before Ratzinger was John Paul II and he died as pope, however, he was more frail and comatose than the one currently exiting the stage. I guess there are those in the Catholic Church who still lift up ‘men’ and see the pope as a figure to be worshiped but I just don’t get that line of thinking. I’m a recovering non-denominational person, in the ‘church’ I had attended we know nothing of lifting up men to the status of pope and blindly following everything they say (sarcasm). Since my former days in the non-denomination to remained unnamed here, the education I received in that system taught that the “evil Catholic Church” is the harlot of Revelation. The pope no less was  is the Anti-Christ at all times past, present, and future. Once I started relying on the Holy Spirit to teach God’s word I understood something greater; that anyone, not just the pope or the Catholic church, who denies Christ as God incarnate is anti-Christ(like) and thus part of the greater system or “harlot.” This revelation was a tad bit liberating in a sense and discouraging at the same time. So all those years of digesting the false claims that all the world would come under Catholic Roman Rule once again seemed to fade away into the distant past like old fads usually do and I began to see the hypocrisy that was being preached from the non-denominational pulpit. It appeared very clear that these brainwashers pastors who kept a continual monastic declaration at every ‘prophesy conference’ I had attended that, “the Pope would one day reunite the whole entire world under the Catholic Church,” were perhaps hiding a bit of their own ties to Rome itself and also to the same church government. I’m fairly young, although nearing four decades soon, so I don’t have a lot of personal first hand history to account for but I recall John Paul II being labeled the AC, then once he died his replacement figure would be sure to accomplish what JP had started in terms of Ecumenical bridge building and the spirit of Anti-Christ would enter the next pope (Ratzinger). Once Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger was chosen all that was needed was a war in the middle east and it would be all over. Coincidentally, none of the false prophets prophesies in the Evangelical/Non-Denominational camp came true regarding Ratzinger and lo here we are on the precipice of another pope to be named.

The Vatican is Gay?

I did a little research, excruciatingly little research, on this topic before taking this to post. I wanted to make sure that I absolutely do not care about this man’s resignation or his successor. I was right, I do not care. I found articles from a number of sources, some “legitimate” MSM sources, other seedy not so tactful gross sources online, that talk about the various reasons why Pope Benedict XVI is leaving. Here are the articles I read:

• Pope Benedict XVI Resigned Partly Because Of Powerful Vatican Gay Lobby, Italian Paper Claims- HuffingtonPost

• Vatican Slams Media Reports Of Gay Scandal- HuffingtonPost

• Gender and career, blackmail the Vatican behind the resignation of Benedict XVI- LaReupbblica.it (translated to English)

• Pope says Vatileaks probe will stay secret, adding intrigue to final days- WorldNews on NBC

• Vatileaks Scandal Exposes Secrets Of Pope’s Empire- The Daily Beast

• Vatileaks Scandal: Documents Expose Pope’s Frail Leadership- Spiegel Online

• The Catholic Church’s Vatileaks scandal: A guide- The Week

• Vatileaks scandal- Breaking News

• Pope’s ex-butler Paolo Gabriele gets 18-month sentence in ‘Vatileaks’ case- WorldNews NBC

• Did a Cross-Dressing Priest Sex Ring Bring Down Benedict XVI?- The Daily Beast

• Pope accused of crimes against humanity by victims of sex abuse- The Guardian UK

• GAYS AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH- CatholicLeague.org

• Victims’ groups file charges against Vatican for ‘crimes against humanity’- CatholicCulture.org

• WI – Cardinal Dolan likely deposed today in Milwaukee Archdiocese bankruptcy, sex abuse cases- SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests)

• Vatican Approaches Conclave As Pool Of Pope Benedict XVI’s Possible Successors Dwindle- HuffingtonPost

• New Pope Conclave May Be Redesigned By Benedict XVI, Vatican Spokesman Confirms- HuffingtonPost

Yes, I did read all those articles and I did a little research on the VatiLeaks website. garbage. [NOT an endorsement: www. vatileaks. com/_blog/Vati_Leaks/post/Position_vacant_New_Pope_Wanted/]. What’s wrong with it, number one, is that it’s authored by a ghost writer who refuses to use his real name or ID, yet he states he’s exposing all of the Vatican’s dirty secrets. However, he is happy to sell his books on his websites to you. Secondly, from what I read he’s not a believer in Jesus at all.  Thus, his whole entire aim is to discredit the scriptures not just “expose” the Vatican. If this is the guy responsible for the red folder and the videos of priests caught on tape in disparaging acts than it looks more like a hit job than a real case of journalism. I’m sure there are gay priests in the Vatican and throughout the Catholic church. I don’t think there is one Catholic who would argue that gay men often run to that cloth to hide their real sin; and, I don’t discount that there are real cases of sexual abuse by pedophile priests in the Catholic Church. The church in Rome, the Catholic Church, and the church abroad, the other denominations and non-denominations all have the same fate of failure because they are based on a system of lies perpetuated by men. This is not the church of Christ, the body of the regenerate souls that are no longer in bonds to the condemnation of death from their sins. Those who cry out and receive Salvation in Christ alone are a part of the body of Christ that will inherit the real kingdom of God. It’s horrible that these sorts of actions happen inside churches made of hands, and I pray that those who are recovering from their circumstances don’t lose faith in Christ Jesus because of men who have sinned against them. This is why I don’t care who the pope is, because, the pope is not Christ Jesus, the pope is a man, a fallible man who cannot forgive sins and cannot redeem anyone. It is by Christ alone and His full accomplished work on the Cross by which we are saved. Please don’t look to man, not this man Ratzinger or any other man that follows him.

“10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: ¹¹ There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.¹² They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.¹³ Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: ¹⁴ Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:¹⁵ Their feet are swift to shed blood:¹⁶ Destruction and misery are in their ways:¹⁷ And the way of peace have they not known:¹⁸ There is no fear of God before their eyes.¹⁹ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.²⁰ Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.²¹ But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;²² Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:²³ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;²⁴ Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

²⁵ Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

²⁶ To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.²⁷ Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.²⁸ Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.²⁹ Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:³⁰ Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.³¹ Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” Romans 3:10-31

The End of the World

We can’t end 2012 without addressing the End of the World.

If the re-eclection of Obama didn’t cause the heavens to fall from their place perhaps the fiscal cliff will.

It appears the “Church” has also abandoned their faith in the Mayan Calendar predictions as most of those Bible “scholars” who piggy backed off the Mayan’s false prophecies published their books and dvd’s in 2010, well ahead of the impending date so as to capitalize without looking silly. (Link NOT an endorsement)

The US, the very same US that was “Hanging by a shred!” is still very much in power (for now), the economy is on life support but has been for a few decades, shhh, everyone thinks black Friday and cyber Monday saved us.

So, what happens when the world continues to perpetuate itself? Do you who counted on not existing fall into a deep depression? Were you counting on being a crispy speck of dust? Are your converse still tied to your feet and your Ipad still pumping out the latest pins? I mean does the whole world implode because it didn’t explode? Does your faith waver? Do you doubt God’s word because the preacher man told you not to buy green bananas or renew your subscription to Runner’s World?  Can your faith stand?

Did you make plans for 2013? Some people literally do not live for the future because each and every day is filled with an all consuming preoccupation with “leaving.” I beg you to put your faith, hope and trust in the Lord and to focus on what His word really says and although any day here could be your last, live!

There is a natural desire for life to perpetuate itself. Most people, and animals as well, seek to live and try to sustain life. Hence, procreation. There’s no greater oxymoron to me than the Pro-lifer who is adamant about saving the unborn and in the same breath speaks of blowing up people in other countries (for their own self-preservation) knowing that should God take them they’d go to heaven as believers in Christ Jesus, but those in the other countries the same could not be said. But, I digress. There have been many false teachers, false prophesies out there for a very long time. Here are but a few of those failed pieces of propaganda,  for those who like vintage art: (Click on images to enlarge)

The End of the World will come, eventually. Don’t worry, if you want to be here that bad to see it you may get your wish. There are people who truly are seeing and understanding the last day of their loved ones here on earth. There is real loss out there, real pain, and you who are healthy and whom grace has abound in your life should be grateful and stop pining and whining for thee last day. Be ready, to live for Christ. Have the gospel on your lips.

“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” Galatians 2:20

“According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. ²¹ For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. ²² But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. ²³ For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: ²⁴ Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. ²⁵ And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith; ²⁶ That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again. ²⁷ Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; ²⁸ And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God. ²⁹ For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; ³⁰ Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.” Philippians 1:20-30

**Update**

For those of you reading this post because December 21, 2012 is near I am including this full length video. I DO NOT endorse these people on this video, I’m posting it to illustrate to you that these false preachers have been saying “The End is Near” for a long time. In the Eighties it was the Ozone Layer that was going to suck us out of the earth, today it’s Climate Change, Solar Flares and Mayan Aliens. There will be an END, no doubt, but there is a clear and definitive path that we are on and ‘the end is not yet.’ Your end may be near, you may die being hit by a car, you may lose someone close to you and their end will have come, we all who are alive are destined to die. I will die and I know where I’m going to go, hence no anxiety over it, but I rather live as long as I can and do what God has called me to do on this earth for as long as He will allow me.

Here’s the Saturday Night Feature Presentation of a Retro End of Days movie, these old guys are still around selling the same can of doomsday in a new package…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8YkDD_8Ijs

The Apostate Church’s minions for propaganda

Above is Pamela Gellar. In the blogosphere she’s knows as “Atlas Shrugs.” She has mushroomed into an entity and an enterprise since the days I first learned of her. When I discovered this lady it was through Front Page Magazine, David Horowitz. I learned of Front Page Mag from, Discover the Networks. I learned about Discover the Networks from Jihad Watch, Robert Spencer. Robert Spencer I learned of from Jerome Corsi of World Net Daily. I learned of World Net Daily, Joseph Farah from Calvary Chapel Prophesy Conferences (Featuring: Chuck Missler, David Hocking, Roger Oakland, Jack Hibbs, Bridgette Gabriele, Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, Avi Lipkin and the list goes on and on.) All these people are interwoven they all have a purpose and that is to disseminate the ‘divide and rule’ ideology. They use the Word of God and twist it to play off the fears of persecution, they angle it so that you are spoon fed the lie that if you don’t annihilate the Muslim countries first, they will come and kill you in your sleep. There are more names and they all work together. Think of those that do speaking engagements just alongside of the ones I’ve mentioned so far. Imagine if you would for one moment that a corrupt Mass Media system would not be complete if it did not have every “Christian” media organization in it’s pocket as well. I know for most of you out there what I’m saying sounds like crazy talk. “How can the church be the ones responsible for spreading lies and hate and division; all they’re doing is sounding the warning, blowing the trumpet, protecting liberty and freedom and supporting Israel!” Right. Said the little sheep who bleats and does not test the spirit. These people have entourages, detail, body guards when they show up at churches. That’s stuff of the CIA and controlled op, not a “brother/sister” in the Lord who’s putting their “life” on the line to sound a trumpet call. They hang out after the speech and sign autographs, sell their books, DVD’s, Mp3′s; and you sign up for their “free” newsletter. I hate to sound old, ugly, tired, and jaded; all of which I know and admit I am when it comes to trying to educate the brethren of the deep rooted and very WIDE deception that encompasses the Church of America, but I guess I’m guilty as charged.

This ad that Pamela Gellar is going to run in New York on MTA within days is her free speech. I accept it as free speech. I believe she has every right to be bigoted as her counterpart Terry Jones and Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (the Producer/Director of “Innocence of Muslims). People have the right to be opinionated, obnoxious, wrong, right, left, straight, gay, Christian, Muslim, Idiot, savage and civilized, absolutely. However,

“There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” Proverbs 16:25.

Just because we can be and have the “right” to be that doesn’t mean it is profitable. In my opinion what Gellar is doing is not fruitful. The ad does not bear witness of God the Father and absolutely not of Jesus Christ’s works.

The media and the church at times instigate fear and rhetoric into our everyday life, so much so that we don’t realize how much and to what extent we are being primed and brainwashed.

At one time I liked Pam Gellar, I thought she had spunk, then once I began to test the fruit I saw little to no fruit of the Spirit. There is no peaceableness with these people because their very existence is based on instilling fear and running you ragged with propaganda of hate. Bringing in an intelligence operative of over 25 years, having a retired General who is a blatant Jesuit Knight who’s sworn an oath to the Pope into the church to teach the body about Islam is not the work of Christ, this is blatant programing. If you can’t see it, if you have never once wondered or pondered why some churches are so heavily politicized and attempt to inoculate the body to accept War and death and annihilation to a whole populace (yes that’s you being controlled and manipulated to accept war and killing “them” those “evil Muslims”) and stopped to see what Jesus had to say about how to treat your enemies, and how to react when you are condemned and persecuted for His namesake, well then, I have nothing to say.

Chuck Missler is Amiss.

*Disclaimer: Videos presented on this post are for Examining what Missler is teaching and what/whom he has learned from they are not to be considered endorsements!

Stop at 0:24 seconds! Who is Rabbi “Moses” Cordevaro? Google Results were for Rabbi Moshe Cordovero, a Kabbalist. Here are some hits:

• The renowned Rabbi Moshe Cordovero, head of the Rabbinical Court of Tzfat, wrote a book called Pardes Rimonim in 1549. On page 68, he writes that the secrets of the Torah are revealed in its letters through many means, including “skipping of letters”. Source: http://www.glazerson.com/torahcodeskeptics.htm (emphasis mine link not an endorsement)

•   “One of the greatest of all Kabbalists was Rabbi Moshe Cordovero. He was born in 1522 in Safed, the city that was soon to become famed as a center of Kabbalah. At a young age, he already gained a reputation as an extroardinary genius. Besides his knowledge in Kabbalah, he was a Talmudic scholar and philosopher of the highest rank, and was widely respected in these fields. He was even one of the four to receive the special semichah-ordination from Rabbi Yaakov Beirav in 1538, along with Rabbis Yosef Caro (Cordovero’s teacher in Jewish Law), Moshe of Trani and Yosef Sagis, all of whom were much older and better known than the young prodigy.” Source: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/83771/jewish/Rabbi-Moshe-Cordovero.htm (link not an endorsement)

•   Decoding the Dogma Within the Enigma: The Life, Works, Mystical Piety and SystematicThought of Rabbi Moses Cordoeiro (aka Cordovero;Safed, Israel, 1522-1570) Book by Kabalist Rabbi Moses Cordeiro (Cordevaro) 

•   Rabbi Moses Cordovero’s Introduction to Kabbalah (Or Ne’erav) Book sold on this site: http://www.mysefer.com/product.asp?cookiecheck=yes&P_ID=3993&strPageHistory=related (link not an endorsement)

Chuck Missler and Lambert Dolphin (pictured).

Missler’s video above is on the topic of “Bible Codes” and more specifically “EQUIDISTANT LETTER SEQUENCES.” When I Googled just “Equidistant Letter Sequences” an article written by Lambert Dolphin, Chuck Missler’s old time friend, popped up. Coincidentally the entire article sounds like what Chuck Missler gave in his short video; more importantly Lambert’s article pointed me in the right direction, finding out where Dolphin and Missler get their “ideas” from! Below is an excerpt from one of Mr. Dolphin’s posts:

“Hidden Scientific Codes in Genesis”

“It has become fashionable for contemporary Bible teachers to claim that Genesis is not intended to give a scientific, detailed account of how God created the universe, but that rather it is often said that the Hebrew prose of the opening book of the Bible is painted in broad brush strokes only. However, when one looks at a level below the obvious translation of the text into meaningful words understood as human language, the text of Genesis actually contains an encrypted code revealing the geometry of time and space, patterns for all living things, and the roots of all every alphabet and every language known to man!

Some years ago a Jewish scholar, Stan Tenen of the Meru Foundation noticed that the ordered arrangement of the Hebrew letters of Genesis 1:1 was not random. If 27 letters of the Hebrew alphabet were assigned a numerical value from 1 to 27 (with Aleph being counted as a “0″) then Genesis 1:1 (and all the subsequent text thus far examined) can be easily decoded into patterns using a counting base of 3. (emphasis added)

It should be noted that Tenen’s work is not the same thing as Biblical numerology—where numbers occurring in the text of the Bible (such as 3, 4, 6, 12, 40, etc.) can be seen to have symbolic meaning. Likewise Tenen is not dealing with what is usually thought of as esoteric Jewish Kabalistic mysticism, or Christian mysticism, in his analysis. What he has discovered is that the text of the Bible is actually an incredible computer code with built-in error correction features and levels of complexity. These findings taken all by themselves apart from faith or religious belief system immediately suggest the Bible is indeed much more than the inspired words of religious writers, but must in fact be the very Word of God.

Much wild and fanciful material has been written on the so called “Bible codes” in recent years–and most of it is either erroneous or at best useless. However the actual hidden structures in the Bible are really there and attest eloquently to the Divine Authorship of our Bibles. The definitive book on this subject is The Cosmic Codes, by Chuck Missler. It is extremely thorough and carefully written.” Source: Lambert Dolphin http://www.ldolphin.org/Introgen.html (not an endorsement. Dolphin’s article links to K-House)

N4TM- In the above excerpt Dolphin is misleading the reader. He says “Jewish Scholar” Stan Tenen, Stan Tenen is a Kabbalist fair and square. I have posted below Stan Tenen’s own video where he gives the exact explanation for ELS’s and it sounds exactly like what Missler explained. Another aspect where Dolphin distorts the truth is when he states that Tenen is “not” dealing with Kabbalistic mysticism, but according to Tenen’s own words that is exactly what he’s done. Make sure to watch the whole  3 parts of Tenen’s videos, it’s thirty minutes but if you watch and listen with discernment it explains a lot about him, and he is who Lambert and Missler are getting their information from! Picture of Lambert Dolphin “at his computerized Ouija board” was taken from his own site! Below is one more excerpt from another one of Dolphin’s posts:

“Editors Note: I have long been interested in the possibility of hidden codes in the Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible. Stan Tenen of the Meru Foundation has been doing remarkable, and I believe meaningful, computer analysis of Genesis from which he has gleaned what would appear to be some amazing geometrical properties of the universe. Recently interest in Torah Codes has mushroomed both among Christians such as Grant Jeffrey, numerous groups of Torah scholars in Israel, and others, for instance The Official Torah Codes Page .

I welcome Uri Marcus’ article which helps bring balance and reason to this discussion since many extravagant claims are being made. Lambert Dolphin, February 22, 1997. Thanks to Grant Jeffrey and Yacob Rambsel also for their response at the end of this article.” Source: Lambert Dolphin http://www.ldolphin.org/torahcodes.html (not an endorsement, the links were hypertext in his original post and are also not endorsed by N4TM)

Missler’s Video above has more details in it that are red flags but I am not going to expound on everything in this post.

Stan Tenen of the Meru Foundation:

Stan Tenen read what? Kabbalah books. He also read every other type of Mystical literature. In this video he doesn’t mention reading the New Testament. I don’t want to waste too much time researching Mr. Tenen, but you get the point with this thirty minute video don’t you? Do you know, or can you see the vanity, the divination being practiced? Can you discern the symbols he uses, and that he ultimately says that all religions are true (part 3 video)?

Stan Tenen is just one Kabbalist where Missler and Lambert are getting their information. They are basing their “biblical” knowledge and discernment based of mystics, rabbi’s who are not converted to believe in Jesus Christ the Messiah, and yet they are “using” their bible decoding system? What is the purpose here? Is Missler trying to encode the listener and students he has? I never heard of Kabbalah until I listened to a Chuck Missler CD on “exposing Kabbalah.” I never paid any attention to Quantum physics until I heard Mr. Missler allude to it at nausea in his teachings.

Someone asked me in the comment section on a previous post, Slight of hand: False Prophet Chuck Missler still on Speaker Schedule with other Calvary Chapel Discerners, “You failed to say what the heresy was. He s the best Bible scholar l know on tv or internet. In fact possibly one of the very few l would call a scholar on tv. Please do let me know what heresy you re talking about.” I told this commenter that I was not ignoring her comment but rather I was praying about whether or not to do a separate post on Missler’s heresy.

Hindsight is 20/20

It was not until I completely left Calvary Chapel that I recognized the error that seems so clear to me now. Missler’s air of expertise and his vast vocabulary of areas we the common people have little knowledge of can be impressive and also deceptive. Since I don’t know the first thing about “M-theory” when Missler spoke of it and I had only known him from Calvary Chapel and Prophesy Conferences held in Churches or sponsored by churches held in conference centers, one assumed it was biblical or at least that Missler knew what he is talking about. I sought to explain how Missler is Amiss, and for me it doesn’t take much to come to this conclusion. This video is not how I learned about Missler being false it’s a demonstration and an example of his false teachings. Start examining what he’s teaching. I watch a video, such as the one at the beginning of this post, I stop and ask a question, Who is Missler referring to? I looked him up (Rabbi Moshe Cordovero), the guy is a Kabbalist! Then I continue to hear the rest of the video, he’s talking about ELS’s; What is that I ask myself, and I Googled it. I see Lambert Dolphin has written on the topic. From previous research on Missler I have come to know how lengthy Dolphin’s relationship with Missler is. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dolphin is one of Missler’s ghost writers. I read Dolphin’s article, he keeps referring to Stan Tenen, who’s that guy? Stan Tenen is a Kabbalist. Once I watched the full 30 minute video “Frist light” by Stan Tenen it sounded exactly like what Chuck Missler spoke on in the video on ELS’s. It doesn’t take much more than that for me to realize that Mr. Missler is learning from Kabbalists and he’s rewriting their teachings and putting a “Christianese” flair on it and selling it off as though he has some inside tract on decoding the bible. I could go a step further and ask is Missler encoding his subjects while he’s presumably teaching about ‘decoding’ the Bible? On another video I’ve seen of Missler, with Sid Roth on “It’s Supernatural,”  Missler is spewing his “Aliens are Demons, fallen Angels, ie, Nephilim,” (Not an Endorsement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54DRUR57Oos) I discerned that he’s taking scripture out of context and putting his own “theory” on it. Or is it his theory? Maybe his theory on Demons being UFO’s came from his friends Grant Jeffery and/or Tom Horn who study the paranormal. I’ve reported on Missler’s CNP connections, his ties to Tim LaHaye, his SwanSat business, attempting to create a single currency for Africa via the Auric, not to mention his false prophesy of the Y2K computer malfunction that never happened that is public knowledge. If you look at Chuck Missler and test his teachings against scripture and not the other way around it will not be long before Scripture tells you his teaching are false. What he’s doing by quoting Enoch (Apocrypha & non-canonized) and quoting Kabbalah and trying to use Mystical and Extra-Biblical teachings to “illuminate” the scriptures is backwards and it’s called Divination.

divination

DIVINATION, n. L., to foretell. See Divine.

1. The act of divining; a foretelling future events, or discovering things secret or obscure, by the aid of superior beings, or by other than human means. The ancient heathen philosophers divided divination into two kinds, natural and artificial. Natural divination was supposed to be effected by a kind of inspiration or divine afflatus; artificial divination was effected by certain rites, experiments or observations, as by sacrifices, cakes, flour, wine, observation of entrails, flight of birds, lots, verses, omens, position of the stars, &c.

2. Conjectural presage; prediction.

Leviticus 19: 31

³¹ ‘Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 18:10

¹⁰ There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,

2 Kings 17:17

¹⁷ And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.

Leviticus 20:6-7

⁶ ‘And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people. ⁷ Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God.

My most favorite scripture that helps me with this sort of discernment:

“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, ² and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ ³ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. ⁴ You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. ⁵ But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.” Deuteronomy 13:1-5

Why They Do Not Warn- part 1 Chuck Smith and Tim LaHaye Connection

Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees

“Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, ² saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. ³ Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. ⁴ For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. ⁵ But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. ⁶ They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, ⁷ greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ ⁸ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. ⁹ Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. ¹⁰ And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. ¹¹ But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. ¹² And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” Matt.23:1-12

The last time I addressed a post with Matthew 23 was with my article “Woe” in September 2009. I had wrestled with whether or not to post anything about the Harvest Crusade that had just transpired in August 2009 where Rick Warren (America’s favorite Pastor/and all time heretic) had appeared on stage with Chuck Smith (Calvary Chapel’s Founder and Mega Pastor that transformed the hippies back into yuppies). I waited at that time to see if any of the “Discernment” ministries would address the issue, after all it was them who had warned me about Rick Warren and all his evilness. Where were the flocks of “Watchmen” who were supposed to hold up the mirror to Chuck Smith and say, “Why did you do that, “brother?”" There were “experts” on Emergent church infiltration who had linked Rick Warren’s mega church Seeker driven management style to the likes of C.Peter Wagner and Bill Hybels and the list went on and on, Rick Warren is a “Globalist,” so I heard from these speakers and authors who traveled the globe, yet found time to come to the local Calvary Chapel and sell their books and Cd’s. All the men were silent and the women as well. So, although I knew only ten people might even read my blog at the time I would have to say something because I had sent out warnings about Rick Warren too, I had passed along much of the information I had gathered from those “Discernment” ministries, and I too had been known to say, “I will lift up no one above my God, principal before personalities…” And I wrote my article, “Woe.” Some came, many more than I had anticipated came to read, some objected and chastised me, some even condemned me for “attacking” “God’s anointed.” But the folks who had seen the hand writing on the wall were appreciative, and I got many messages of confirmation and solidarity when they shared their own experiences at being hushed up, pushed out, and black listed for trying to sound their own warnings in their own way at their own Calvary Chapels.

An Apology

This is an apology, not to address anything I’ve said in the past, but failure for not being more discerning then as I feel I am now. When Rick Warren appeared “on stage” with Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith, it wasn’t a shock so much as it was confirmation of the long history they’ve shared and suspicions that there was a close working relationship between them. They finally had displayed outwardly what many had suspicions of inwardly for a long time. What I am about to disclose in the series of posts that follow is information I’ve had for maybe a few weeks, some information again that simply needed confirmation to suspicions, but for the most part none of what I’m going to share has been hidden from view. Often times these types of double minded people do things in plain view, it’s a joke to them, to keep everyone’s eyes preoccupied on the ‘right’ hand so we don’t see what they are doing with their ‘left’ hand, but both are always moving and both always working together. My apology is, “I’m sorry I didn’t see all this sooner and could have warned you of more earlier, but this is what I have found. I don’t want to harm my brethren by not sharing what I have. Other “ministries” I believe have known of this and probably know much more than I do since they’ve been around for much longer, but many of them are a part of this “Network” and have made the choice to suppress information. I am not a part of any “Discernment Ministry.” I’m not working for anyone. I don’t know these people personally and what I am about to share is not a “personal” attack on any one person individually but it is highly suspect that these people who make a living off of “warning” you of false shepherds and false prophets have failed significantly; in this respect their failure to truly warn leads me to believe their failure is not accidental.

“Breaking News”

In 2009 while most of us (including myself) were distracted and appalled (or not) by Chuck Smith embracing Rick Warren, “a friend,” on stage at Harvest 2009 in August; we missed what happened in November 2009. Although this is going back, it’s breaking News to me, and may or may not mean something significant to you. For my first part of the series I will provide information that CNP’s Founder and Moonie supporter, Timothy LaHaye, has had an extensive and long career with Calvary Chapel, so much so that in 2009 the Founder of Calvary Chapel appeared at Tim LaHaye’s Pre-Trib Study Group Conference.

Click on picture to enlarge. Some of you may still think of Tim LaHaye as, “just the guy who wrote Left Behind,” but he’s more than that and his empire wasn’t built overnight.

I don’t want this first post to turn into who Tim LaHaye is, he’s been exposed for years and there is a plethora of information to be found out about him on line. I will not reinvent the wheel here, but I will share more about what I found regarding Tim’s friends.

Birds of a feather…flock together

Most of us who’ve tried to research Tim LaHaye know that it’s near impossible to find a complete and current list of his CNP members. LaHaye’s secrecy is not limited to CNP, he seems to be very selective about his level of transparency. It’s always offensive to me that these “men of God” refuse to be 100% transparent with their associations and with their finances. When asking myself, “Why don’t they (all discernment ministries you may believe are credible right now) warn?” The answer wasn’t hard to find once I saw this:

click on image to enlarge.

The image is a screen shot ‘of’ the member list in 2003, which is as far back as I could see on the website. You can search for yourself through the years of the members list at this site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040405044332/http://www.pre-trib.org/about-members.php

Just know that on today’s website for Pre-Trib Research Center there is not a “Members list,” and now that I’ve drawn attention to it here the archive may not be around too long either.

Look closely at the names. While you are reviewing the list, think of who that particular person shares their ministry with, whom they speak alongside, books they promote, and who they warn you of, and whom they NEVER touch.

Some people may say, “Just because they are on this list means nothing,” “you can’t lump them all together!” To them I say this; when I received the newsletters, and the warnings in years past written by those on this list, they presented their material in like manner. I recall all the links and associations they made between Pagitt, Driscoll, Hybels, and McLaren, and then reported it as a vast conspiracy of Emergent Church infiltrating the Evangelical non-denominational “Bible believing” churches. The same method of association and working together on projects is exactly what I am employing here. Does the method always apply? Can one assume that because, let’s pick a name randomly from the list above…Mr.Bill Perkins, Bill Perkins of Compass International is on this list; he employes many of the same speakers on this list, he has had an extensive career writing for Chuck Missler at Koinonia House, and using Missler and others on the Steeling the Mind Conferences. Is it possible that Perkins, Missler, and Tim LaHaye have connections to one another that prohibit them from exposing one another when they find out that their “brother” is not behaving in a godly manner? Have you ever read an exposition by Missler on Tim LaHaye and his Moonie money? Have you ever read a Berean Call letter from Dave Hunt on Chuck Missler’s connection to William Welty the New Ager who’s Missler’s associate over at SwanSat? Have you read the latest book by Terry James where he goes into detail about the Religious Right’s Conservative political ties to infiltrate and sway the body of Christ to constantly approve of wars under the guise of “Conservatism and Americana Propaganda?” When was the last time Jimmy DeYoung, Brannon Howse’s dear friend, ever exposed Chuck Missler? Remember that time Thomas Ice exposed Norman Geisler’s teaching of Thomas Aqains? Oh, that’s right that never happened. Well, there was that time when Mark Hitchcock exposed Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s links to the Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism, oh oops, that never happened either.

Bedfellows of Tim LaHaye

Chuck Smith wasn’t the only shocking “guest” over at the Pre-Trib Study Group Conference that I found. Click on the thumbnails to enlarge:

For me, the information I gathered on those who speak and share the stage with Tim LaHaye is exactly, “Why They Do Not Warn,” about Tim LaHaye.

Why They Do Not Warn Part 2 click below:

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/why-they-do-not-warn-part-2-lonnie-frisbee/

David Hocking, Chuck Missler, Dave Hunt, Mike Gendron, Jimmy DeYoung, all those named above who participate with Tim LaHaye, none of them are going to Expose Tim LaHaye’s connection to Rev. Moon, or tell you about the secretive Council for National Policy, that is ecumenical, and buys off people in other countries, part of the dispose of one tyrant for another tyrant that the US can control modality. Click on the thumbnails…

International Apostasy

After all the hulabaloo here we are once again… Ok folks, there’s a back story to this and maybe this is a non issue for some but I will just lay it out as I have come to the knowledge that a vast and sinister network of “False Discerners” is afoot. Some time ago there was an issue concerning Chuck Missler. A friend asked me to look into Chuck Missler to see “where he was wrong” for a friend of theirs (to be named later) who was about to join Chuck Missler on a speaking engagement. I really truly didn’t want to investigate Chuck Missler because it’s one of those, If you have to ask, type of things. (translation, If you have to ask then there’s your answer, something is already wrong with the guy.) I did look into Chuck Missler and I found a plethora of things wrong with the man. My own personal objections to him are as follows:

He is a false prophet.

He is a liar.

He has been working with people like Tim LaHaye (CNP) and Chuck Smith (CCC) for most of his “biblical career.”

He is into stuff that is extra biblical: Numerology, Kabbalah, Mysticism, Demonology, Apocrypha,  and a lot of other weirdness.

So once you do your own lengthy study of all the various outrageous claims (Y2K) that Chuck Missler makes and realize for yourself that his motive most certainly cannot be to teach the bible but must be for other nefarious reasons you too will understand the shock and awe when you see other more/less “notable” and “trustworthy” teachers come alongside him and speak with him.

When I conducted my vetting of Chuck Missler it was just prior to “Future Congress” a conference held in Branson Missouri that included other notorious sensationalists like Tom Horn, but also on the docket was a speaker I had learned about through Roger Oakland’s UTT website, Chris Pinto. Chris Pinto did a lot of work “exposing” David Barton. David Barton is a Dominionist and a false teacher. David Barton has been used extensively for his version of American “Christian” history. Many Calvary Chapels simply adore David Barton and have him speak at their conferences. When I watched one of Chris Pinto’s dvd’s where he exposed the “Founding Fathers” as being much more than patriotic, namely Enlightenment/Illuminati influenced, Masons, and Jesuit ties to much of our early beginnings of America I stood up and wanted others to know the same truth. I saw so many of my brethren getting sucked down the black hole of Glenn Beck and David Barton, and at that time Chris Pinto was the only one I knew who was speaking against it. But, lo and behold it wasn’t long before realizing that Christ Pinto was a willing and able body individual that was joining with Chuck Missler at the “Future Congress” conference. Pinto was also being promoted heavily on other fake discerners shows like, Alex Jones, and Brannon Howse. So, I asked (via email) Roger Oakland (who had promoted Chris Pinto) and LHT (Lighthouse Trails Research) “Why is Chris Pinto with Chuck Missler at this conference, I thought Chris Pinto was supposed to be on the up and up?” I did not get an answer. I pursued the issue concerning Chuck Missler and sent emails out stating what I had found on the guy, that his connections were all wrong and he was a man never to be trusted and people who are “alerting” and “discerning” should not be speaking along with him or it would stumble the flock. It was soon that a fellow blogger informed me that Missler was on a speaking engagement with Roger Oakland. No wonder I had not received an answer, this blogger posted on it and I concurred that the joining was in bad form, especially considering all the monumental evidence out there that pointed to what a false prophet Chuck Missler is. Quickly I began to be attacked and ostracized for pointing out that simple fact. Then I did hear back from Roger Oakland, he demanded I reveal the identity of the fellow blogger and I most certainly would not have even if I had that information at the time because it was very uncouth, and controlling.  I took the liberty to pose the question again, Why is Pinto speaking with Missler, why are you speaking with Missler, certainly you know who he is, after all these years of knowing him, after all the investigative research into the book Faith Undone, surely you must know that Missler is not good. The last communication was, “I WILL NOT GO THERE.” from Roger Oakland in regards to my line of questioning on Chuck Missler. To Roger Oakland’s benefit, he did attempt to appease me by saying “they” (IDK who this meant) were in contact with the group that was putting on the conference (where Chuck Missler was to join Roger Oakland) and “things were happening behind the scenes that you (I) did not know about.” In the end, I waited for another blogger to conduct Matthew 18 and waited, and finally did my own blog post about the whole issue (See, “A time to speak” below). In the end, Roger Oakland did not end up speaking at this conference, and consequently two others bailed out, David Hocking and Ray Yungen. This does not mean anything however, because none of those who left that conference ever came out and stated that Chuck Missler is a false prophet, false discerner, and out of pure heart and a desire to stand on sound doctrine did they submit that Missler is wrong in anyway, they simply left quietly without reference. It was my conclusion after finding out that Blue Letter Bible which was started by Chuck Missler (Khouse) as well as Sowing Circle (which is another Missler related venture) did I realize that what could have been (is) a contributing factor for all the silence was that these men have ministries with ties to Missler’s ministries (by ties I mean $$$). Obviously there are links from BLB to Hope for Today and to UTT and other ministries Roger Oakland has overseas. It was assumed that Roger Oakland left the US speaking circuit to attend to those ministries overseas, however he does still speak at conferences in Canada, and probably other countries as well, Africa comes to mind of a recent trip Roger Oakland took there… Anyway, Yesterday I saw this over at KHouse Africa. I am not totally amazed by this. Yes if you click enough you can get from KHouse Africa to UTT. And if you look hard enough you too can find out why there has not been a complete severing of ties between Missler and Oakland. At one time I truly valued Roger Oakland’s ministry, his book (if he indeed wrote it) Faith Undone, helped me to see more than he intended I believe. The first prophecy conference I ever went to was in Arizona where I heard David Hocking, Chuck Missler, and Roger Oakland do presentations, so I know that they have worked together in the past. It had been my hope at one time that Roger Oakland was merely deceived by Missler and once he saw with his own eyes, and did his own vetting of Missler he would realize that Missler is truly a WOLF and Roger would flee immediately, however that never happened. There are some people who truly see no harm in Chuck Missler, KHouse Africa, selling Roger Oakland’s material. Some will say that Roger has no control over who sells his merchandise (Amazing Discoveries/SDA ministry) or who links to UTT (Lighthouse Trails), and that what would be more disconcerting was if Roger linked to Missler. With that line of thinking I have little to say in rebuttal. I do know that these networks of people exist, they support one another, they cover for one another, they use some to “expose” and others to endorse all the while remaining bedfellows. What you do with this information is for you to wrestle with.

Related Links by N4TM:

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2011/12/24/a-time-to-speak/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/slight-of-hand-false-prophet-chuck-missler-still-on-speaker-schedule-with-other-calvary-chapel-discerners/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/cons-spies-and-a-misguided-compasssthe-complicated-world-of-discernment-false-information/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/im-gonna-knock-you-out/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/the-network-discernmentdeception-broad-is-the-way/

http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/walter-j-veith-lht-and-some-amazing-discoveries/

**as always external links used do not constitute as an endorsement but are used as reference, do your own due diligence in exercising discernment**

Walter J. Veith, LHT, and some Amazing Discoveries

Amazing Discoveries is a Seventh Day Adventist website. Another blog exposed AD in 2010 you can view the warning and expose here:

WARNING: SDA Evangelistic Drive, AMAZING DISCOVERIES 2010 @ Mosaic Theatre (10 Nov – 4 Dec)

Beware of Amazing Discoveries: it is a website of the Seventh Day Adventists and these FREE “presentations” are part of their 2010 Evangelistic Drive by John Carter.

I had not read this post until I had been on the AD site trying to discern who Walter J. Veith was. I had started a video of his and was waiting for him to state what faith he was and while the video was playing of course I began a google search. I was led to Amazing Discoveries which hides its SDA affiliation pretty darn well. I went to the ‘Store’ section and lo and behold some findings truly Amazed me!

There under the “other” section were authors and speakers I had become familiar with in the evangelical world. Names like, Warren Smith, Roger Oakland, Lee Strobel, videos by: Chris Pinto and Jim Tetlow.

These discoveries fueled me even further to find out what affiliation AD has, and finally I found out that Walter J.Veith is in fact one of those “saved from science” fellows but he’s not just a recovering Evolutionist, he’s a Seventh Day Adventist. He finally did come around to admit his “new faith” at the end of the video I was watching. For the first half he spoke of seeking a Catholic priest’s help in a spiritual battle in his home, he even referred to himself as a “good Catholic” and didn’t amend that until the end of the video, when stating his SDA faith.

I thought it odd that an author like Roger Oakland would be referred to on this site especially since they were quoting him from his book, Faith Undone, published by Lighthouse Trails, and in that very book I recall Oakland addressing the “cult” of SDA. Odd right? Then there was the use of Warren Smith’s book alerting on the dangers of the New Age, Contemplative Spirituality and Emergent, but Discerning the World’s post was a warning elicited by AD showing up at a Mosaic Conference? Odd again. It seems the “Exposing Deceptions” portion in the advertising should really read, Spreading Deceptions. See, even the SDAers have their version of evolutionists who turn into creationists, people “escaping” evil Roman Catholic Church, etc. This is another web of deception, another enclave set up to keep the whole realm of SDAers vexed and chasing the wind in hopes that they never truly discern what their own false church is propagating.  Why would Lighthouse Trails sell their product to AD? Or how is it that this site lists all these familiar Evangelicals? I know people in the SDA church who are so fanatic they would look at this union as heretical, as SDAers don’t believe people outside of SDA religion are even capable of salvation for breaking the Sabbath! How is it that these authors and speakers who speak against Ecumenicism find themselves being promoted by the very cults they speak against? How many more denominations, cults, and sects, have similar webs set up to catch them up? Broad is the way that lead to destruction…

Click on Thumbnails for Enlarged Pic. *I have known about this connection for sometime (months) and I’m just now alerting you readers. There is another blog that “warns” and “alerts” to the same deceptions I do, however they post videos from SDAers and also advertise for these false discerners by listing the same videos produced by those they claim to expose, tricky, so watch yourself out there!

The Network: Discernment/Deception Broad is the way

I must preface this piece with a disclaimer and a warning; first of all I must let you know that any discernment group or organization mentioned hereafter is not being attacked personally. I am not here to make enemies, I am here to call into question affiliations and discrepancies as I see them and obviously I do not expect any in the aforementioned to respond or give an account to me, you could say the questions are rhetorical in nature and are meant to elicit critical thinking in the reader if nothing else at all is accomplished. Second, a warning to those who are attempting to instigate or lure me out, I do not count myself worthy of such attention but if you should be trolling around seeking to devour and lay blame at my feet for exposing conspiracies that no one in the “Networks” would ever expose than truly you’re wasting your time. I do not write for anyone, I am not part of any organized group of “discernment” ministry, I do not have a P.O. Box and various ghost sites soliciting money for fake “ministries.” I do not travel the world or speak throughout the country and thus have no need of “love offerings.” I have no “fan” base, I have nothing but time and prerogative and if I see something I’m going to say something, isn’t that what “The State” wants anyway? I understand controlled opposition. I understand the modus operandi of those who elicit even those of us who are unconnected to the game and try to wield us like puppets. Since I am aware of some of the controlled opposition’s tactics I exert the right to start and stop, gain reflection, seek God’s guidance in all things, and above all; live my life to the best of my ability applying God’s grace and affection toward me, a wretch, who has been given a gift of eternal life through Christ Jesus.

The Network: A lily pad?

I have been looking back recently; researching old connections amongst the brethren, trying to ascertain how far back they go and also to find lost pieces of history that often get buried on the ‘internet’ because history is often being rewritten. This morning I found an old site called (Irvinellis)Tri-pod.com, this site is called “End Times Journal” on it’s face page. It’s director is Irvin W. Ellis, he’s Canadian. This old out dated unattended (ghost) site is said to have begun in 1999 and appears to have had active journals through 2001/3 but has nothing new on it. It also says it is an extension of Understand The Times (UTT) a ministry of Roger Oakland.

“A few days ago while I was thinking about deception, an illustration I once heard came to my remembrance. Every “lily pond” begins with a single “lily pad.” The first leaf that appears on the pond usually is quite inconspicuous. This single original “mother pad” divides and becomes two. The two pads then divide to become four, the four become eight, the eight divide to become sixteen, and the process continues until eventually the entire pond is covered. The point that is being made here is quite simple. Notice before the very last division of the lily pads, the pond is only half covered. The single pad that was once inconspicuous has now become much more significant. As we can see, the process of covering the pond did not happen at a linear rate. The pond was covered by a process we call a geometric progression. The paradigm shift that has taken place within Christianity over the past several decades has occurred in the same way that lily pads cover a pond.” Roger Oakland- “What’s happening in the Church Today, End Times Journal 1999 vol.1 No.1” (site used as reference not an endorsement)

He was meditating on “deception,” and allegorically applied the lily pond, infected as it were, by one lily pad. There are key words in this small excerpt that stand out to me as well as questions. My first question would be, Where and/or whom did you hear the illustration of a lily pad, is this a common mathematical allegory or was this an implanted memory? Second sentence, the first leaf of the lily pad is “often inconspicuous?” Really, is this an assertion or an opinion? If we stay with the theme of using the lily pad scenario and apply it to spiritual matters, is this “mother pad” (sentence three) the Roman Catholic Church? How inconspicuous is the RCC? Truly the first leaf would be Mystery Babylon, the epicenter of all abhorrent pagan religions, correct? The “mother pad” divides into two, maybe that is where we see Babylon and Rome? The two become four, could we be jumping ahead to Greece, Alexander the great? See the Book of Daniel. The following keeps multiplying however Oakland uses the term “dividing.” Maybe I’m a total ingoramous in math, but we’ll leave the math to the smart people. The pond is covered by a “process we call a geometric progression,” who is “we” in this statement? Is the ‘we’ a reference to people in general who all know about Geometric Progression or those who are purposely blanketing the church with deception, or the ones who are assisting in this article? Lots of questions when I see someone referring to ‘we’ in an article that is supposedly written by one single person. (1+1 (n)= we) Last sentence in this excerpt, “The paradigm shift” that has taken place within Christianity over the past several decades has occurred in the same way…” Ok, first off the use of “Paradigm shift” is alerting, I guess to Roger Oakland who had at this point already done extensive study in terminology of New Agers is not bemused by throwing this lingo in whenever it suits, but for me it struck a chord. Then the term, “within” Christianity is mentioned, this to me indicates that he knows there’s a deception taking place “within” the body and it’s purposeful not an accident, not undetermined in its goal, but mathematically evident and while the church is Dividing, the deception is able to multiply.  Keep in mind this article was written in 1999 (so we are told). Prior to this article, in 1997, another collaborative effort was made via Reel Productions.

Another Piece of the Network

A movie entitled, Countdown to Eternity, directed by Jim Tetlow, staring: Chuck Smith, Dave Hunt, Chuck Missler, Roger Oakland and Bill Gallatin was made in 1997, produced by Eternal Productions founder Jim Tetlow head of Harpazo Network (the Harpazo Network has mysteriously disappeared, or been Harpazo’d, I wonder if Missler was involved?). The boys club put together this highly ‘factual’ account of the impending doom of our last days based on the current hysteria and calamity that was befalling the late 1990′s. I’ve watched the first half of this film, via YouTube, and it’s telling that the script hasn’t diverged much since the inception. The crux of the message has maintained its initial steam and that is; to use the headlines of the day, “to apply” them to Scripture, and use them to illustrate that we are in the Last Days. You could justly stop me here and say, “Isn’t that what N4TM claims to do?” Granted, I learned from the best, I was a dubious follower of many of these people I’m now exposing. I was once receiving newsletters from: Missler, strategic trends alerts, UTT, LHT, Prophecy News Watch, Moriel Be Alert, Worldview Weekend Alerts,  and I’m sure others I can’t think of at the moment because it’s been so long since I’ve been a subscriber to anyone! Now rather than try to “apply” the headlines and see how they apply to scripture I am trying to provide information, discern information, and not be blinded and brainwashed by the spin doctors both in and out of the church, but -I digress. As I watched Roger Oakland and Chuck Smith assert with such conviction that the depletion of the ozone layer and the resulting increase in Skin Cancer was proof positive that Revelation 16:8-10 was coming to pass through this tangible means I couldn’t help but realize three things, (1) they really believe what they are saying (at the time), (2) they continue to blindly state the obvious and convolute it to scripture today, and (3) they truly corrupted the scriptures to illustrate Ozone Layer Depletion + Skin Sores = Last Days. Here we are back to simple math, it’s where I’m best so I will stick to basic arithmetic. The portion of scripture being referenced are the fourth and fifth bowl judgments. Correct me here if I am wrong but these bowls follow the revelation of Anti-Christ, the worship of the Beast, the mark of the beast being taken and conversely according to All those involved in this video who believe that the Rapture has already occurred, why or how could skin cancer be a mark of the Last Days especially since the whole church is still left on the planet to see these bowl judgments they are referencing to use that we are in the last days (circa 1997)!? Do you see the logic? The simple math does not add up, or rather it does, its summation is this; these men are either fool hearted and are so in love with the Lord that they cannot discern that they are twisting scripture because they desire so desperately for Christ’s return, or they know exactly what they are doing, what they are saying, are being told by the first leaf (mother pad) on what to say and throughout the years have done little in terms of changing their false prophecies and false statements other than applying ‘Current’ news events to match their flawed reasoning of the last days. I found this also, I am not sure if this has anything to do with the video Countdown to Eternity 1997, but it’s a book of the same exact title co-authored by Chuck Missler and Woody Young; Countdown to Eternity, 1992. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the video, especially since the book illustration looks exactly like the original film version cover art and Chuck Missler is also in the video, I’m positive it’s coincidence. (see below for pics)

*Jim Tetlow, director/producer/founder of Eternal Productions has also produced other videos staring Roger Oakland: Queen of All and Messages from Heaven. Here is a site that still mentions the Harpazo Network and Jim Tetlow, however the Harpazo.net has been harpazo’d from the internet. (Links NOT an endorsement-as always)

False Assertions via Current DVD’s continue

By looking back one can determine that what we see now at present day is newly gift wrapped old claims and false prophecies in HD format. If you thought the Network stopped making movies in 1997 you’d be dead wrong. Remember the Left Behind series? There are untold tentacles in the production world that pump out sensationalist movies that the END IS NEAR and it doesn’t take much investigating to find them. For instance, I started with Countdown to Eternity, look at the production company from that initial movie, it leads you to new ghost sites, then look at other movies (Docudrama’s they are called in some circles) and look at the production companies there, check out the directors, the “actors” or “expert speakers,” and see what you will find, a vast network of organized minions working around the clock disseminating falsities. Caryl Matrisciana is another member of the Network. She and her husband have been around for decades. Caryl’s husband Pat Matrisciana has been playing all sides of the game. He is a producer of film both secular and non-secular. Pat has ties to CIA and other notorious elk like Tim LaHaye. It is no wonder that Caryl is in the same business as her husband. She is supposedly a ‘former’ cult follower of yoga. I state supposed because when someone’s early years are not recorded and we are simply told this information and expected to believe it in my opinion it is questionable. Caryl Matrisciana co-authored Roger Oakland’s book, “The Evolution Conspiracy,” 1991(forward by Hal Lindsay). Caryl and Pat Matrisciana (Jeremiah Films) have been dear close friends of Roger Oakland, or at minimum constant friends through the decades and have helped produce and sell his various DVD’s. Pat Matrisciana produced the film version of Evolution Conspiracy: A quantum Leap into the New Age in 1988. Caryl and Roger’s most recent venture being, “Wide is the Gate,” a revamped and updated (factual) account of the apostasy gripping the church and why we’re in the last days type of video. Caryl has had an interesting life, her bio speaks volumes (not an endorsement). Wide is the Gate volume 2 includes the following speakers:

ABOUT THIS DVD: 5 PARTS – 40 MINS EACH: Experts interviewed by Caryl Matrisciana for WIDE IS THE GATE VOLUME 2 include Eric Barger, Jason Carlson, Mike Gendron, Sarah Leslie, Jan Markell, Tom McMahon, Johanna Michaelsen, Brenda Nickel, Roger Oakland, Chris Quintana, Warren Smith, Ray Yungen, Paul Wilkinson and others.

Nothing Personal (referring to disclaimer and warning in preface)

Notice all the names of experts and how often you will see them endorsing one another, sharing pulpits and conferences, selling each others books, DVD’s, etc. This is a Network my friends that goes deep and wide, “Broad is the way,” and this is the main reason you will never see them truly exposing one another. This is not even the tip of the iceberg. If the Network exists start to ask yourself some key questions. Do the research and see if these people are or are not truly interwoven with one another. Whether or not some started out for the good and were turned is not the point if they are in fact turned already, because they truly have to know that they are working for someone/thing and ultimately when Mammon is behind much of the motivation how can the perpetuity of truth really be claimed?

This post was inspired by the new version of history, Let there be Light, because there was once an original book, Let there be Light, Roger Oakland and Dan Wooding 1993 (with forward by Chuck Smith).
Now you have to find out who Dan Wooding is…

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Slight of hand: False Prophet Chuck Missler still on Speaker Schedule with other Calvary Chapel “Discerners”

Chuck Missler a False Prophet

Chuck Missler has been exposed for his myriad, some might say quantum leap, into full fledged apostasy. He’s been exposed over the years and more recently for endorsing a book by his friend and board member Steve Berger on Necromancy, “Have Heart.” Chuck Missler has also been exposed to having ties with a New Age believer, William Welty, and for perpetuating a centralized form of currency in Africa called the “Auric;” see here for article.  Chuck Missler continues to have ties to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and speaks for the Creation Science Fellowship; see here for article. Chuck Missler has also direct ties to the Vatican via “Father Justo Lacunza Balda” an advisor to Chuck Missler (Google it). All this mounting evidence that Chuck Missler is amiss and yet people whom you’ve been led to believe are great “Discerners” of  Apostasy, Heresy, Emergent Church, and New Age continue to take the platform with Chuck Missler, who is really a proponent of all that the other speakers say they are against.  Is it because they don’t know about Chuck Missler? Certainly they know? I know there is one man on the above speaker schedule whom I directly contacted with my concerns about Chuck Missler. I did get a reply when I asked why he was speaking with Chuck Missler in (was formerly) February 2012, “I WILL NOT GO THERE,” was the answer I got, referring to the topic of Missler. Well, don’t be fooled when you go to the Link for this Conference and you see the portraits of the speakers with one man missing, because he’s still on the schedule as of today, January 20, 2012. There’s still time I guess for these “Discerners” to come forward and separate themselves from a False prophet who teaches and endorses heresy, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting.

**Above links DO NOT constitute as an endorsement of the site. N4TM provides links for information and reference and does not agree with all content or opinions voiced on other “blogs.”

**UPDATE** Miraculously overnight something happened. Two names on the above “Scheduled Speakers,” David Hocking (Hope for Today), and Roger Oakland (Understand the Times, Intl.) are not on the PDF Brochure for Titus213 Red River Prophecy Conference. Although as of 60 seconds ago the above schedule is still on the website. I have been told these two “Discerners” are no longer on the docket to speak. This is unofficial news and the site seems a little misleading to say the least, deceptive at best, but maybe that is for my benefit. Would Roger Oakland and David Hocking make any official statement about “Pulling out” of this Missler Conference? I doubt it because they have more to answer for beside Missler. Missler’s connections go far deeper and wider than this silly conference. Their relationship with Missler extenuates past Red River Bible Conference and Missler’s cohorts reach back around to both Oakland and Hocking. Hocking has many unsavory ties and these gentleman aren’t about to forfeit their livelihoods for the sake of standing on pure doctrinal truth. They’ve had ample time and opportunity until now and I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Take the information for what it’s worth.The trickery will continue and perhaps someone will attempt to slander me for bringing attention to this conference; or better yet they can continue to ignore me and my posts since I’m so ineffective anyway. Bravo, Roger and David, and those organizers of the Red River Bible Conference.

**Update** I see that Titus213hope.com has set up a whole new site to advertise for their 2012 conference that at one time had Roger Oakland speaking alongside False Prophet Heretic Chuck Missler. Rather than drop Chuck Missler, some speakers dropped out over the controversy: David Hocking, Roger Oakland and Ray Yungen. These speakers as well as the website I linked to that advertised for this have moved to this site: http://www.titus213hope.com/page1.php

November 10,2011 Screenshot of speakers

2 Corinthians 6:13-18

¹³ Now for a recompense in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

¹⁴ Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

¹⁵ And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

¹⁶ And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

¹⁷ Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

¹⁸ And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

**See my most recent post on Chuck Missler, Posted 8.13.12 “Chuck Missler is Amiss.”

Update. I just saw this on YouTube, it’s for a “Discernment Conference” in 2011. Notice all the “Discerners.” The Network that Discerns together stays together…

*Caryl Matrisciana *Roger Oakland *Ray Yungen *Warren Smith *Sandy Simpson

Just in case you were wondering where did Roger Oakland go? He really didn’t go anywhere, he’s still here: http://www.rogeroakland.com/ still getting advertising and speaking spots. The rest of the lot are still yammering about too. They are the network, too much invested to disappear.