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Repost: WOE. revisited three years later

Front(Greg Laurie, Harvest Church Riverside,CA; Center Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa CA, Right: Rick Warren Saddleback Church Lake Forest,CA

“…Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.”Luke 12:1-3

The original Post of “Woe.” was on August 25, 2009. Edits and additional comments are explained at the end of the original post.

**Update: this post has been previously attached to a site that claims I am a CC ‘member.’
When I wrote this post I was attending a CC and had for years, this is no longer true as of June 2010.**

The Shift has Begun. The time for secrets and whispered alliances has become publicly known. The object of grievance for many who love Calvary Chapel and all that it once stood for has been affirmed. For all those who were called “Head Hunters, Heresy Sniffers, Contentious, and slanderers” they may now have some level of confirmation that their discernment wasn’t wrong; however, a true child of God who has the “gift” of discernment takes no pleasure in seeing what was once ‘the warning’ come to pass. Many people who are in the camp that believe Rick Warren is doing a work of God think that all of us are simply fanatic and fearful to ‘change.’ No. I accept Change. What I do not accept is heresy, lies, and false teachers. I will start in the order of the men that are in the picture above.

Greg Laurie.Greg is the Senior Pastor of Harvest Church in Riverside California. For those of you who don’t know the relationship of Greg Laurie and Rick Warren has stemmed over twenty years. According to Rick Warren himself, in a short clip taken backstage at the Harvest Crusade 2009, they have had a cyclical relationship with each others flock {see video below} . Greg Laurie has taught classes at Saddleback church and has done other projects in conjunction with Rick Warren. Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren has not been a secret in the Calvary Chapel circles. Many pastors have approached Greg Laurie over the years and attempted to rebuke him in love about his unequally yoked partnership to Rick Warren. Each time Greg asserted himself as someone who had been ‘sent to minister’ to Rick Warren. Over the same amount of years pastors have attempted to rebuke Rick Warren in love and to warn him about his own unequally yoked fellowship with those in the Emergent Church Movement and many other false gospels. Rick Warren too has justified himself and refused to repent of the heresies he has taught. I know that many people are going to be hurt by this news of Pastor Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie and Rick Warren appearing together on the same platform in “one accord.” For many who have called Calvary Chapel their home church the possibility of such once sound men of God (Laurie & Smith) appearing with an obvious wolf in sheep’s clothing (Warren) seems absolutely inconceivable. However, the truth of the matter is that is exactly what has happened. I have done many posts on this blog and my other blog related to the Heresy and Leaven that Rick Warren has introduced into the Evangelical, Christian, movement. This post is not so much to warn you of Rick Warren as it is to warn you about the dangers occurring inside Calvary Chapel. Rick Warren’s leaven has infiltrated Harvest church for years, it has filtered into smaller Calvary Chapels, and with the stamp of approval that Chuck Smith has now given it, the Leaven and Heresy that is Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life has come to roost in Harvest and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.

Chuck Smith.Chuck is the Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and known as one of the key persons of influence of the Jesus People Movement. Honesty I know very little about the ‘Jesus people movement.’ I have attended Calvary Chapel the length of my entire walk with Jesus Christ and never once cared to look into when or why this ‘movement’ started. When I had entered in to this ‘fold’ I had felt I was getting clear biblical teaching of God’s word. And I was. The Calvary Chapel of the past has changed dramatically. What Pastor Chuck started all those years ago has become an extended family that has grown up generations of Christ loving, God fearing people. Today however, with the acceptance of one of the most dangerous false teachers, Rick Warren, Calvary Chapel has much to lose and little to gain from yoking itself with Purpose Driven heresy. As I stated before, Rick’s relationship with Greg has not been kept in isolation, many people have known of this, however the fear that the ‘leadership’ from the top…ie, Pastor Chuck Smith, to accept Rick Warren’s heresy and to condone it has tipped the scale. Many people in the Emergent Church movement have been waiting for the day that Chuck would ‘accept’ Emergent and Purpose Driven as a movement that not even Chuck could deny it’s power to move people. However, simply because people are moved emotionally and spiritually deceived into a spiritual ‘experience’ does not make that a move of God. In 2006 Chuck Smith himself released a positional paper that denounced the Emergent Church, however today he is by his actions denouncing the very stand he took only some three years ago. Today the rebuke doesn’t seem to come, however I trust the Lord is working out His perfect will even as it appears that evil is prospering. It must be said that today Chuck is only expressing publicly what he has held as true privately for a long time. I can say that because many sheep have been stumbled by his actions to shield and protect Greg Laurie and Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren. There have been events that have caused people to stumble that have been hosted by CCCM, and other “Calvary Chapel Pastors” over the years. It has been years. This didn’t happen over night. Senior Pastors from the biggest to the smallest Calvary Chapel on the Directory KNOW what has been going on. They have had overt warnings, they’ve had whispered concerns expressed by critically hurt sheep and have denied to address the problem of the leaven that is Rick Warren and his blasphemous counterfeit gospel.

My Appeal to Pastor Chuck Smith, with all due respect to what you’ve done in the past, what you are doing now and what’s been happening for some time is stumbling and scattering the flock that God entrusted to you and countless other Calvary Chapel Pastors.

8. The great confusion that exists in the divergent positions of the Emergent Church results from their challenging the final authority of the Scriptures. When you no longer have a final authority, then everyone’s ideas become as valid as the next person’s, and it cannot help but end in total confusion and contradictions.

There are those who say that Emergent movement has some good points, but so does a porcupine. You are better off if you don’t get too close!-Chuck Smith, 2006

Rick Warren. I’ve said enough.

“Thank you Greg for preaching at 4 of the 6 services at Saddleback.” Rick Warren.

Articles from my blogs on Rick Warren:

Rick Warren & Tony BlairWarren’s New Social Gospel bibleRick Warren catapults Obama among ‘Evangelicals’ by hosting a ‘conversation’ with Obama and McCain at Saddleback ChurchRick Warren’s Flip Flop Morality; is he For Marriage or Gay Unions? He can’t decide Did you know Warren is a Southern Baptist? Even they speak out against his false teaching! ♦ Rick Warren’s Interfaith Prayer at Inauguration called on the name of Isa, Jesus of Islam! ♦

Articles on Rick Warren from Other Sites:

Olive Tree Ministries, Understanding the Times, Slice of Laodicea , Crosstalk, Prophesy News Watch, Joel’s Trumpet, Eric Barger, Lighthousetrails, OneNewsNow

References to Warren at Laurie’s Harvest Crusade:

[The following sites are not an endorsement nor am I in agreement with the sites cited.]

Christian Post August 13, 2009ANS August 19, 2009Greg’s Images Twittered live from Harvest 2009 ♦ ♦ RT (re-tweet) of Rick Warren’s comment about Greg Laurie speaking at SaddlebackOfficial Harvest Crusade 2009 Video Sunday, Chuck Smith introduces Rick Warren @ 10:47 minNational Worship Leaders Conference 2009, Greg Laurie [the sites listed are reference points they do not represent sites that I endorse but are merely used to provide further information]

NWLC 2009 Reggie M. Kidd did a segment entitled: “Showing the Story with the Ancient Church” the main topics included:

In this seminar, we take up the biblical basis for the unity of Word and Table in worship that emerged in the early church. We introduce four important texts
for understanding ancient future worship.
We look at three, practical legacies of ancient worship:
• the reading of Scripture,
• the Eucharistic prayer,
• the chanting of the psalms

National Worship Leader Conference 2008, Skip Heitzig Calvary Chapel Albuquerque

You must understand who the speakers are at these events (Research Leonard Sweet), what they believe, and teach to understand the implications. There are people who become stumbled because they believe some on the ticket to be ‘men of God.’ Some of these ‘men of God’ have taught on other types of heresy, or false doctrine, yet still are unequally yoked and keeping company with darkness.

The Answer to the Question. You may be asking yourself right about now, “What does this all mean?” What am ‘I’ implying by voicing all the things that have been said in this post? Am ‘I’ calling Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith, heretics, false teachers, false prophets…? God’s word answers that for you.

2 Peter 2

1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

2Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

3and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 Peter 5

The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being examples to the flock.

Matthew 18

7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

1 Timothy 4

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Test all things. Test the Spirit. Test what is being preached and taught in your church against the WORD of God. I recently commented to a friend if people tested all ‘Pastors, Speakers, Authors, etc’ against the true Word of God then there wouldn’t be a need for ‘Discernment Ministries.’ There has been volumes of warnings out on Rick Warren, Purpose Driven Life, Emergent/Emerging Church, Dominionist Theology, Mysticism, Ancient Future Worship, etc. The hour is late and there is little time to go through all that is now masquerading itself as ‘light’ in this world…but by all means try to do your own homework. Do not take anything of what I’ve said in this post or any other for that matter without holding it up to see if it’s true.

2 Corinthians 6

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

One last answer to the broken-hearted out there who is grieving and mourning for the truth in matters….

All this has shown me is that there is no one righteous, no not one, especially myself! I make no claims to be more holy than the next person. I know that nothing good dwells in me and that I am a chief sinner. One thing I do know is that God is doing a continuing sanctification and by the Blood of the Lamb alone am I saved! Rejoice brother and sister in the Lord, for the time is near and the times are proving themselves to be the last days that our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken of. I know there is a remnant out there. I know there are people who love Jesus Christ Messiah and seek to do His will. Let us focus our eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, SON of the Living God! Our faith is bound up in Jesus Christ and none other!

Ezekiel 33

6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

**Update** 4-27- 2010

Finally a ministry with tons of connections comes out with a warning on what I’ve already expressed in this article and many countless others have been trying to express for years now~ better late than never:

Calvary Chapel Alert: Calvary Chapel Albuquerque (Skip Heitzig) Hosting New Age Mystic Leonard Sweet

(but let’s be clear this isn’t the first year he’s invited Leonard Sweet! AND it’s not that Chuck Smith doesn’t know about it or other CC Pastors…)

Post Primary Commentary: Below are my thoughts now in 2012, three years after the infamous embrace at Harvest August, 17th 2009.

The site above with a line through was Moriel, they disabled that link so it’s useless to have it up; and they never warned about Rick Warren’s connections to Greg Laurie or his visit in 2009 and embrace with Chuck Smith Sr.Further above in this post was a group of links to articles outside of my own blog posts who have written about Rick Warren; those sites I disabled the links to because I DO NOT support, endorse, or agree with those sites any longer. It has come to my attention over the years that those who placate and remain silent on truly exposing those within Calvary Chapel, who’ve enjoyed decades long employment and ministerial support, are just as guilty as perpetuating the lie within Calvary as the ones they claim to “expose;” namely Rick Warren.

Since this post in 2009 not one major discernment site reported on this union (Warren/Smith/Laurie). In fact since the Harvest 2009 20th Anniversary there has been much more leaven within Calvary Chapel and since then the failure of the major Discernment Sites and “Discernment Ministries” to expose the true and very real deception inside of Calvary Chapel has become over abundantly clear and pervasive. Those who expose Calvary Chapel and their fake discernment ministries that keep them afloat giving the appearance of a discerning church are the ones who are laboring and getting attacked from the CC machine. There is a vast and broad network within the Calvary Chapel “Movement” that crosses denominational divides. The Baptist Churches are involved too and I would venture to say that many of the “Emergent Churches” who have been declared the Devil incarnate by the organized controlled Discernment Ministries were really birthed out of the CC movement and the early hippies who saw CC moving toward Yuppeidom rather than staying “true” to their “emerging” styles in the early 70’s. This article “Woe” cost me nothing to post; I was an unknown blogger who had to send out mass emails to my friends and family to get readers. Now I don’t bother anyone with when I post a new article; however, I do have some more readers today than I did in 2009, but I am still very much an unknown. I do not have “secret” information; I do not know the upper echelons of Calvary Chapel. I do not work with anyone within Calvary Chapel or their subsidiaries. I am one person, with a heart for the body of Christ and I pray that those who are entrapped by the snare of the false teachings of CC and their organized discernment ministries will make their way out.

John 10: 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Slight of hand: False Prophet Chuck Missler still on Speaker Schedule with other Calvary Chapel “Discerners”

Chuck Missler a False Prophet

Chuck Missler has been exposed for his myriad, some might say quantum leap, into full fledged apostasy. He’s been exposed over the years and more recently for endorsing a book by his friend and board member Steve Berger on Necromancy, “Have Heart.” Chuck Missler has also been exposed to having ties with a New Age believer, William Welty, and for perpetuating a centralized form of currency in Africa called the “Auric;” see here for article.  Chuck Missler continues to have ties to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and speaks for the Creation Science Fellowship; see here for article. Chuck Missler has also direct ties to the Vatican via “Father Justo Lacunza Balda” an advisor to Chuck Missler (Google it). All this mounting evidence that Chuck Missler is amiss and yet people whom you’ve been led to believe are great “Discerners” of  Apostasy, Heresy, Emergent Church, and New Age continue to take the platform with Chuck Missler, who is really a proponent of all that the other speakers say they are against.  Is it because they don’t know about Chuck Missler? Certainly they know? I know there is one man on the above speaker schedule whom I directly contacted with my concerns about Chuck Missler. I did get a reply when I asked why he was speaking with Chuck Missler in (was formerly) February 2012, “I WILL NOT GO THERE,” was the answer I got, referring to the topic of Missler. Well, don’t be fooled when you go to the Link for this Conference and you see the portraits of the speakers with one man missing, because he’s still on the schedule as of today, January 20, 2012. There’s still time I guess for these “Discerners” to come forward and separate themselves from a False prophet who teaches and endorses heresy, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting.

**Above links DO NOT constitute as an endorsement of the site. N4TM provides links for information and reference and does not agree with all content or opinions voiced on other “blogs.”

**UPDATE** Miraculously overnight something happened. Two names on the above “Scheduled Speakers,” David Hocking (Hope for Today), and Roger Oakland (Understand the Times, Intl.) are not on the PDF Brochure for Titus213 Red River Prophecy Conference. Although as of 60 seconds ago the above schedule is still on the website. I have been told these two “Discerners” are no longer on the docket to speak. This is unofficial news and the site seems a little misleading to say the least, deceptive at best, but maybe that is for my benefit. Would Roger Oakland and David Hocking make any official statement about “Pulling out” of this Missler Conference? I doubt it because they have more to answer for beside Missler. Missler’s connections go far deeper and wider than this silly conference. Their relationship with Missler extenuates past Red River Bible Conference and Missler’s cohorts reach back around to both Oakland and Hocking. Hocking has many unsavory ties and these gentleman aren’t about to forfeit their livelihoods for the sake of standing on pure doctrinal truth. They’ve had ample time and opportunity until now and I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Take the information for what it’s worth.The trickery will continue and perhaps someone will attempt to slander me for bringing attention to this conference; or better yet they can continue to ignore me and my posts since I’m so ineffective anyway. Bravo, Roger and David, and those organizers of the Red River Bible Conference.

**Update** I see that Titus213hope.com has set up a whole new site to advertise for their 2012 conference that at one time had Roger Oakland speaking alongside False Prophet Heretic Chuck Missler. Rather than drop Chuck Missler, some speakers dropped out over the controversy: David Hocking, Roger Oakland and Ray Yungen. These speakers as well as the website I linked to that advertised for this have moved to this site: http://www.titus213hope.com/page1.php

November 10,2011 Screenshot of speakers

2 Corinthians 6:13-18

13 Now for a recompense in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

**See my most recent post on Chuck Missler, Posted 8.13.12 Chuck Missler is Amiss.”

Update. I just saw this on YouTube, it’s for a “Discernment Conference” in 2011. Notice all the “Discerners.” The Network that Discerns together stays together…

*Caryl Matrisciana *Roger Oakland *Ray Yungen *Warren Smith *Sandy Simpson

Just in case you were wondering where did Roger Oakland go? He really didn’t go anywhere, he’s still here: http://www.rogeroakland.com/ still getting advertising and speaking spots. The rest of the lot are still yammering about too. They are the network, too much invested to disappear.

Jesuits beget Jesuits: Norman Geisler Veritas & Calvary Chapel Bible College

Veritas Evangelical Seminary

Affiliation
Veritas Evangelical Seminary is a free standing inter-denominational institution with its own Board of Directors, without affiliation to any particular church or denomination.

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Board of Directors

  • Luman R. (Roger) Wing (San Diego, CA)—Research Scientist [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, former UTT Board Member, Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]
  • Don Stewart (Laguna Niguel, CA)—Author/Speaker [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, Pastor's Perspective co-host, His Channel]
  • David Shirley (Murrieta, CA)—Pastor/Educator [Calvary Chapel Pastor Westminster London,England]
  • Joseph M. Holden (Winchester, CA)—President [Calvary Chapel Bible College Academic Adviser & Teacher]
  • Brian Brodersen (Costa Mesa, CA)—Pastor/Chairman [Calvary Chapel Bible College Vice President, Assistant Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]

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(Veritas Evangelical Seminary) Adjunct Teachers/Guest Lecturers

Ergun Caner (Missler/Compass, ISCA/Geisler)
Arnold Fruchtenbaum ( Radio Free Church/John Higgins, Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism/Billy Graham (UN))
Ed Hindson (Missler/Compass)
Thomas Ice (Missler/Compass)
J. Randall Price (Missler/Compass)
Brian Nixon (Calvary Chapel of Albuquerque Pastoral Staff/Skip Heitzig, Publishing staff CCCM/Chuck Smith, Word for Today/Don Stewart&Chuck Smith)
Ron Rhodes (Missler/Compass)
William E. Nix (
Jay H. Smith (

Calvary Chapel Bible College: Guest Teachers/Lecturers

Dr. Richard Bennett, Cheryl Brodersen, Joey Buran, Charlie Campbell John Chubik

Dr. Paul Copan, John Courson, Dr. Ed Bulkley, Dr. Norman Geisler, Ken Graves,

Skip Heitzig, Jack Hibbs, Bob Hoekstra, Sean Housman, Poncho Juarez, Todd Kent

David Guzik, Wayne Taylor, Rafael Manzanares, Don McClure, John Millhouse

Norman Geisler Author of the Chicago Statement of 1978, formulated post PhD. from Jesuit School, Loyola University; is the Founder of Veritas Evangelical Seminary, and founder of International Society of Christian Apologetics (ISCA). Geisler is a part of Calvary Chapel Bible College, a frequent speaker at Calvary Chapel Churches, and conversely all of his Board Members of Veritas are Calvary Chapel related Pastors and/or Speakers and/or CC Board Members of other Calvary Chapels. The Chicago Statement of 1978 was signed by over 300 Evangelicals, including David Hocking and Josh McDowell to name a few.

Now some would have you to believe these people are not one in the same. What do you think now that you see the evidence?

Geisler, Missler, Smith, Graham

Chuck Missler admits he was a co-laborer with Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa for over 25 years, it’s in his bio on every site Chuck admits to running. Some would have you to believe Chuck Missler and Chuck Smith have little to do with one another now, in spite of the obvious facts that Chuck Missler speaks at Calvary Chapels and his organization: Compass.org/Steeling the Mind propagates the same roll call of speakers at various Calvary Chapels across America and abroad. Maybe we need to see a  more recent connection. How about this:

This is from a site called “Darwin is dead” site address is:

http://www.darwinisdead.com/Creation%20Science%20Fellowship%20of%20Calvary%20Chapel.htm

“Creation Science Fellowship of Calvary Chapel meets 7:30 P.M. the first and third  Saturday of each month at 3000 West MacArthur Blvd in Santa Ana, California. The six-story LOGOS Building is located just west of Fairview Rd and MacArthur Blvd, and is adjacent to the main campus of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa.  Admission is free.  Parking is free.  We are open to the public.” Source: darwinisdead.com (not an endorsement)

If you view the page you will see that is related to CCCM and you’ll see the speakers they have.

February 12, 2011 – Special extra meeting on the 2nd Saturday of February – Chuck Missler, Ph.D. (Biblical Studies) spoke on the topic, “Cosmic Electricity: A Billion, Billion, Billion, Billion Times Stronger Than Gravity!”

Chuck Missler appears to still be close to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Chuck Missler provides CC’s with their list of “Speakers” constantly. Norman Geisler is a Jesuit trained PHD(not an endorsement of the site). Geisler has stated along the same lines of Chuck Missler that he believes UFO’s are really demonic Nephelim. Geisler wrote a couple “Covenants” in his lifetime that gained the “Speakers/Pastors” that are involved in Calvary Chapel. All of Norman Geisler’s board members are related to Calvary Chapel. Norman Geisler may be a subversive Jesuit who is begetting further Jesuits by his involvement in CC Bible College and Veritas. Chuck Missler, CNP member shares his men with CC and Geisler. They are one in the same. There is no “discernment” there are no “watchman” this is a highly designed well oiled machine. I pray you research all that I’ve presented here.

The Building where Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa holds their “Creation Science Fellowship” meetings is in the same building that Samaritan’s Purse (Franklin Graham) has an office.

Click on picture for enlarged version. I’m sure the use of Samaritan’s Purse and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa has nothing to do with each other. Just like Skip Heitzig and Greg Laurie being on the Billy Graham Evangelical Association board has nothing to do with Calvary Chapel. I’m sure Arnold Frauchtenbaum’s attendance and signature of Lausanne Covenant (LCJE- Lausanne Consultation of Jewish Evangelicalism run by Billy Graham) has nothing to do with anything either. The Lausanne Covenant is part of the United Nations and World Council of Churches, but that has nothing to do with a one-world-apostate-ecumenical-interdenominational-false church. Billy Graham’s Masonic ties and work with the Vatican has nothing to do with Veritas, Calvary Chapel Bible College, shared board members, man issued and signed covenants. I’m sure it’s all nothing.

You will not find a “Discernment” ministry that has anything to do with book deals or conference speakers related to Calvary Chapel truly exposing what is going on within Calvary Chapel. Do not expect any “Researcher” or “Speaker” who shows up at a Calvary Chapel to tell you who is on whose board or who is on the “pass go” list. Some discernment sites and “speakers” may give the appearance of warning about Calvary Chapel’s heresy but they may be playing you for a fool to keep you preoccupied with some exposure while they are busy covering up for their friends.

jesuits beget jesuits

Chuck Smith Jr. A “Straight Ally” for Gay Christians

What is a Straight Ally?

Excerpt from Grace Rivers Blog:

Transitions – Report on TEN Conference 2010

“On Saturday they had a panel of what was called “straight allies”. I knew that the presence of these four men at this event was huge, groundbreaking and, in many ways, unprecedented. One has to consider that, just their mere appearance at this type of event could be a big risk for them, as there’s just not that many that call themselves “straight allies” in the Christian community right now. But, maybe even more significant, these  men chose to, not only attend this conference….they chose to be an integral part by participating in this panel.

The men who participated were Chuck Smith Jr. (son of Chuck Smith Sr, the father of the “Jesus Movement” and the founder of the huge network of Calvary Chapel churches around the globe) was on the end. Sitting next to Chuck Smith Jr was Andrew Marin (author of “Love is An Orientation”).

Then there  was Jay Bakker (son of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker). And, next to Jay was Mark Tidd (Evangelical pastor of Denver’s Highland Church). As the panel talked, each one shared their stories of meeting men and women in the gay community who loved God and wanted to serve Him. They shared how meeting these gay folks had challenged their own theologies regarding the “gay issue”, their historical views of homosexuality, and how they had seen the scriptures differently since they began to look into themselves in light of what they were experiencing.

I really related to these men. When I moved away from 22 years of conservative Ex-gay ministry and got alone with God myself, it seemed He was shaking loose some of the things I had always thought and had been taught. I was challenged by these men on the panel and their seeming care and love for the people here at this conference.”

“embrace”

This “Conference” took place in April of 2010. Where are all the “Discernment Ministries” on this event?

Chuck Smith Jr. Who was once “kicked out” of the Calvary Chapel Outreach Fellowship (CCOF) for being “Emergent” has gone on to become an advocate for the Gay Christian community. He is termed a “Bridge Builder” by them. He himself states at marker 6:30 in the video below that he “Loves and Praises my brothers and sisters in Christ,” when referring to the LGBT group at the meeting.

Chuck Smith Jr is a frequent Pastor’s Perspective host with his father, Chuck Smith Sr., the “Father” of the “Jesus People Movement.” Despite the attempts of Chuck Smith Sr to rewrite the history of Calvary Chapel and the Jesus people movement to exclude its true founder, Lonnie Frisbee, Chuck Smith Jr. makes all attempts to remind people that the Gay Hippie Preacher who “converted” via an LSD trip was instrumental at the inception of Calvary Chapel. See here for a video of Chuck Smith Jr’s account of Lonnie Frisbee’s role in CCCM.

Calvary Chapel and its leader Chuck Smith Sr have notoriously and belligerently sought to erase the facts surrounding Lonnie Frisbee. Lonnie Frisbee mentored Greg Laurie, and Chuck Smith Jr. Lonnie Frisbee co-ministered for years with John Higgins at the Commune House of Acts. Lonnie Frisbee met Billy Graham and traveled to Europe and Africa depositing his “mantle” all over the place. Lonnie Frisbee was instrumental in the Vineyard Movement and recently his “mantle” has been called upon for a third wave of apostolic Latter Rain type revival; See here for videos, be warned they are demonic. Lonnie Frisbee did not convert to Christianity he had a “mystical” experience, he calls himself a “see-er” and a “mystic” see here for video. Lonnie Frisbee continued to sleep with men after his apparent conversion and died of AIDS. So, Chuck Smith Jr appears on stage with Gay Christians, welcomes them and their lifestyle into the all encompassing interdenominational church of god and no one at CCCM, or any “watchmen/women” are the wiser. He floats into KWAVE and hosts Pastor’s Perspective with his father through the course of last year and confirms his ecumenical jesus with his father that Catholics are Christians too, and by the way so are practicing homosexuals. Never mind what the Bible says about this, Grace over Doctrine is the Modus operandi at Calvary Chapel and its sister ministries.

Chuck Smith Sr. (left) Lonnie Frisbee (right)

quoted text from The Gay Gospel on Chuck Smith Jr. beliefs**Use of links or quoted text such as screen shot of “The Gay Gospel” is not an endorsement but merely used to inform.

A Time to Speak

Ecclesiastes 3

 1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. 9What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth? 10I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. 11He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. 12I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life. 13And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. 14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. 15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past. 16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. 17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. 18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? 22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/roger-oakland-exposes-not-chuck-missler.html

Chuck Missler is Compass.org.

Chuck Missler is Sowing Circle.

Chuck Missler is Koinonia House.

Chuck Missler is Blue Letter Bible.

Chuck Missler is SwanSat.

Chuck Missler is Steeling the Mind Conference.

Chuck Missler is off Doctrinally. Chuck Missler is a promoter of false teachers, prophesies falsely, and profits from the sheep he is deceiving.

**A Link Does Not Constitute as an endorsement of the site. Please use your own God given Discernment.

Back story: “Why is Roger Oakland sharing the pulpit with Chuck Missler when we all seem to know Chuck Missler is off doctrinally and is a promoter of false teaching, teachers, and is connected  to the UN and Rome?”

In the summer I was asked by an unnamed source to “Look into Missler.” So I did. What I found was a conglomerate of information on a slew of false teachers Chuck Missler endorses and works with steadily. Missler is a CNP member, Tim LaHaye is the founder of Council on National Policy. The CNP acts like a Conservative Right Wing version of CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and is highly secretive about its membership. The CNP does however like to brag and hold conferences and “Fundraisers” so occasionally we do find out who are CNP members. Chuck Missler is a CNP member. He also is the founder of Blue Letter Bible. Blue Letter Bible is naturally a part of every Calvary Chapel website. Blue Letter Bible says it was created by Sowing Circle. Sowing Circle is also Chuck Missler. Chuck Missler is also Koinonia House and Koinonia Institute. KI (Koinonia Institute) has on its Board of Regents: Roger Oakland, David Hocking, Tim LaHaye, Ron Matsen (also a UTT Board Memeber), Skip Heitzig (friend of Billy Graham and Jesuit General Boykin), William Welty (Co-Founder of SwanSat, and ISV with Missler), Bill Koenig (Washington “Correspondent”), Joseph Farah (Editor and founder of World Net Daily and a CNP member).

Chuck Missler is consumed with Numerology and Kabala (Jewish Mysticism). He claims he’s warning ‘you’ the Christian about all this; however I believe his obsession in talking about Trans-humanism, Nephilim/Aliens, and Quantum Physics is really his way to form a narrative in the mind of the Christian. He’s involved in government plans in Africa to create a central form of currency, he’s supposedly sending up satellites to create a means of Global Communication, he’s at the helm of the most widely used bible tool on the internet –Blue Letter Bible, altering the word of God via the ISV, and he’s propagating false prophesies (Y2K, Nephilim will return, etc.). In the Book that Chuck Missler co-wrote with his wife Nancy Missler it is stated that lukewarm Christians will be in outer darkness, a sort of purgatory. This is a paraphrase from what I remember of reading obviously, but I thought that it was highly unusual for such a renown “Bible Scholar” who runs an Institute on how to read the bible to get that so blatantly wrong. Missler was handing out his book for free like candy at a prophesy conference a few years back. A friend of mine read the book; it was so disturbing that she approached her then senior Pastor with her concerns when it was later revealed that the pastor was going to host a Steeling the Mind conference at their particular Calvary Chapel. The senior pastor knowing that Chuck Missler is the origin of Steeling Mind the Conferences, via Compass.org heard the evidence and did nothing. The Steeling Mind conference was still held. Chuck Missler is part of the original group at the birth of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. He worked at various Government installations while he was “teaching the Bible at Calvary Costa Mesa.” His money is tied to Calvary Chapel. His Compass.org organizes Israel trips that many other Senior CC pastors can utilize. Missler’s Compass works as an “agent” for all those popular “Teachers, Watchers, and Discernment Elite” who are on the list as available to come to your church. Money is not the root of all evil, the LOVE OF MONEY, is. When money that comes from such a blatant Wolf is what is funding your ministry or missions comes before the Gospel there is a problem. I truly believe there are those with hearts for children and the lost, but if you know the funds are coming from an evil source it’s greater to stand on the Gospel and Christ’s Righteousness than worry about where the money is going to come from. God is able to care for His children. There was an article that attempted to ‘cover’ for “good guys” who get snickered into speaking on the same platform with “bad guys” to form “bridges.” Sorry, that article was more controlled opposition. In this particular situation, I know of five or six people who directly asked Roger Oakland why he’s speaking with Chuck Missler in 2012 when all the evidence is stacked against Missler. Once the Sowing Circle/Blue Letter Bible money link to missions run by Oakland became evident, and sharing the Board of Regents between UTT and Koinonia Institute became evident, it became perfectly clear why there was a silence on this question. When I was first asked to look up Missler it was for another “Watchman” who is popular in alerting the church body about New Age Infiltration (not Oakland), and that speaker directly replied to me “Thanks for the information.” He went on to speak with Missler anyway as well. This is not for the faint of heart folks; the Word of God is true and will be fulfilled.

Jesus warned us that these false brethren would rise from among us. We should not be so surprised when we see once “rock solid” bible teachers etc., fall by the wayside. There were attempts in LOVE to contact Roger Oakland regarding all this information. People who personally sat across from him while he remained silent. The Lord can certainly still do a work, I don’t deny that. I can be wrong. All this could be planted information and Chuck Missler could be a saint and not who we have discovered him to be, but I don’t think so. What does this mean for you who have counted on the information by said ministries? It only says, lay down all idols, and follow Christ alone. Rest on the Pure word of God and the ability of the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom  to discern the spirits. Stop denying the power and might of the Holy Spirit by leaning on men (and women) and their interpretation and trust in the Lord again to complete the work He started. Things are crazy right now in the world but even more so in the Church. We need to wake up and trim our wicks now more than ever. The deception is deep, wide, and viral. I pray for all those involved in this mess. I pray somehow through all this the Lord God Almighty will be glorified, that we can say “Praise God! He is Calling me yet again unto Himself!” Do not be dismayed or afraid, our Lord is covering those whom He has called. Pray. Pray. Pray.

**Further Links are provided in the Comment Section in relation to this post**

Chuck’s Convergence; Catholics are Christians Too

Clip One October 11, 2011:

http://www.kwve.com/podcasts/Pastor%27s%20Perspective%2011_10_11.m4a   (Start at 48:10 mark; also see the transcript below.)

Transcript:

Don Stewart: Alright back we go to the phones to Orange, California with Ben on the line. Ben welcome to Pastors Perspective, Hi!

Ben: Hi how are you?

Don Stewart: Fine thank you!

Ben: I uh, I am a loyal listener, I um love going to uh your men’s conferences [Don Stewart: “Good!”] and I fellowship with a bunch of people at Calvary Chapel’s, um I visit Greg Laurie’s Harvest, and I have a question because I sometimes I have a hard time understanding um how I um, communicate with people um of the Protestant faith because I am Catholic, and sometimes we um have communication issues and, they want to get into apologetics and um, you know I love the worship and the fellowship with those – with the different people but um I’m going to hang onto my faith as well, and I am just curious what you think about it.

Don Stewart: OK, good question there Ben in fact were glad your going to these events we’re glad you listen to this program. OK Chuck what about that?

Chuck Smith: Ben I have a cousin who was a mother superior in the Catholic Church, and uh, she was just a wonderful Christian, loved her and we had great conversations together, and I didn’t try to convert her from Catholicism nor did she try to convert me uh into becoming a Catholic, its just we both recognize that uh you know we have, we had the same Lord, and the same uh faith ya know and so uh we just uh you know on those things we agreed upon we just agreed upon and we didn’t really bring up the things where there were disagreements.

Not included in the video:

Don Stewart [Minute 49:42]: Ya um again the question is Ben if you love the Lord Jesus, if you’re trusting Him and Him alone for your salvation that’s the key, what are you trusting in, what’s going to get you to heaven is it Jesus and something else or Jesus and Jesus alone and that’s the question that needs to be answered, and of course the Bible said its Jesus alone by grace through faith we’re saved, it’s not of ourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast, cause Chuck it wouldn’t be heaven would it if people were walking around bragging what they’ve done…and uh no peacocks strutin’ around, na na it’d be real miserable we’re not going to see that in heaven. Alright let’s go now to Aurora, Colorado and talk to Jay on Pastors Perspective, Jay welcome to welcome to the program [Minute 50:20].

Listen for Yourself:

Pastors Perspective 10-11-11 (Caller Ben from Orange at 48:15 min mark)

and 11-23-11 (Caller Beverly from Ontario)

Clip two November 23, 2011

Transcript below:

Host- Alrighty we’re going to Ontario California we’re going to talk to Beverly

Host-Beverly you’re on Pastors Perspective you have about a minute left so if you can state your question?

(Beverly) Caller- Yes I have a question is it right for a Catholic woman to marry a Christian man even if she’s pregnant with his child?

Chuck Smith Sr.- Well, I don’t ah see that, ah, well ah there’s going to be difficulty, uh ya know, but if you can resolve the differences, I don’t think they’re that great, and I think that you probably, ah if you’re pregnant with his child you should marry him, and of course ah I think that uh, it’s um it’s alright you can resolve the differences. and I think that uh I , ah, I know of many of that ya know.. You know Catholics are basically Christians too and uh so uh I think that uh, you know what the differences are less than much less than what a lot of people face and are overcoming in their mariages.

Chuck Jr- I think the more important questions are is he a “good” man and do they love each other.

Chuck Sr. – uh huh.

Fade to video of Chuck Smith at Harvest 2009. “Fasten Your Seat belts…”

convergence

noun meeting, junction, intersection, confluence, concentration, blending, merging, coincidence, conjunction, mingling, concurrence, conflux Hindon lies at the convergence of eight roads.

**Update: A reader sent me a link to his post dated 11-10-11 in reference to yet Another Ecumenical comment by Chuck Smith:

11/10/11

Another Voice (Rev.18:4) Click here to read full post

Calvary Chapel’s Chuck Smith Bows To Mormon God; Tells 10-yr Old Girl “Good Mormons…Will Be In Heaven”

This is quoted from the 11-9-11 “Pastor’s Perspective” call-in radio program at 36:10 min. The audio recording is: here
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36:10 Don Stewart: To Cheyenne Wyoming…we have Alexa on the line….10 yr. old Alexa: My aunt Valerie(?) doesn’t really know the book of Mormon…so will she still go to hell?Don Stewart: Ok good question…Alexa’s got an aunt, Chuck, who is a mormon and wants to know if the mormon will go to heaven…Chuck Smith: It all depends on their relationship with Jesus Christ…and there are a lot of good Mormons who do believe in Jesus and I believe they will be in heaven, but you know we can’t do it on own righteousness or own works you know we have to depend on Jesus for our entrance into heaven…[end]

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.  
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:13-20

The Demise of Calvary Chapel

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/08/lawsuit_claims_calvary_chapel.php#more

Lawsuit Claims Calvary Chapel Allowed Shuffling of Pedophile Employee from Diamond Bar to Idaho

The lawsuit, filed by an Idaho law firm but featuring the muscle of Washington lawyer Tim Kosnoff (whose tenacity in going against pedo-protectors of all denominations was just told in a book by my publishing company, Scribner–just found that out while Googling!) combines two separate lawsuits filed against Calvary Chapel accusing them of harboring Iglesias. This one names the Big Calvary in the suit: Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, which is actually in SanTana, and accuses them and North Country Calvary pastor Robert Davis of “negligently, recklessly and/or fraudulently conceal[ing] from the general public, law enforcement, its parishioners, plaintiffs and their parents its knowledge that Iglesias was and is a pedophile, child predator, and child molester.” Kosnoff isn’t asking for much–$10,000 per client, because that’s all that Idaho allows in such cases (a direct byproduct of Brownie’s Idaho days, no doubt) but will try to ask for punitive damages at a later date and is asking for a jury trial.
Iglesias is currently in jail for molesting two other boys in 2003. What did Calvary Chapel founder-head Chuck Smith know about child molesters within his flock, and when?

PDF FILES OF THE ACTUAL LAWSUIT: http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/larabee-et-al-v.-costa-mesa-et-al.pdf

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Pastor Raul Ries Calvary Chapel Golden Springs (Diamond Bar, CA)

http://northcountrychapel.com/images/bobdavis.jpg Pastor Bob Davis (North County Idaho Calvary Chapel)

http://northcountrychapel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nccyouth.jpg

Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, Calvary Chapel Golden Springs, Calvary Chapel North, continue to hold services, teach God’s Word, hold youth events, etc.

Matthew 18:6-11
6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.     7 “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!   8 “If
your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it
from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.
9 If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.

   10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.11 [For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.]

Another link of interest: Is Calvary Chapel Head Chuck Smith covering for a Child Beater? via OC WEEKLY