Repost: WOE. revisited three years later

“…Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.”Luke 12:1-3

The original Post of “Woe.” was on August 25, 2009. Edits and additional comments are explained at the end of the original post.

**Update: this post has been previously attached to a site that claims I am a CC ‘member.’
When I wrote this post I was attending a CC and had for years, this is no longer true as of June 2010.**

The Shift has Begun. The time for secrets and whispered alliances has become publicly known. The object of grievance for many who love Calvary Chapel and all that it once stood for has been affirmed. For all those who were called “Head Hunters, Heresy Sniffers, Contentious, and slanderers” they may now have some level of confirmation that their discernment wasn’t wrong; however, a true child of God who has the “gift” of discernment takes no pleasure in seeing what was once ‘the warning’ come to pass. Many people who are in the camp that believe Rick Warren is doing a work of God think that all of us are simply fanatic and fearful to ‘change.’ No. I accept Change. What I do not accept is heresy, lies, and false teachers. I will start in the order of the men that are in the picture above.

Greg Laurie.Greg is the Senior Pastor of Harvest Church in Riverside California. For those of you who don’t know the relationship of Greg Laurie and Rick Warren has stemmed over twenty years. According to Rick Warren himself, in a short clip taken backstage at the Harvest Crusade 2009, they have had a cyclical relationship with each others flock {see video below} . Greg Laurie has taught classes at Saddleback church and has done other projects in conjunction with Rick Warren. Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren has not been a secret in the Calvary Chapel circles. Many pastors have approached Greg Laurie over the years and attempted to rebuke him in love about his unequally yoked partnership to Rick Warren. Each time Greg asserted himself as someone who had been ‘sent to minister’ to Rick Warren. Over the same amount of years pastors have attempted to rebuke Rick Warren in love and to warn him about his own unequally yoked fellowship with those in the Emergent Church Movement and many other false gospels. Rick Warren too has justified himself and refused to repent of the heresies he has taught. I know that many people are going to be hurt by this news of Pastor Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie and Rick Warren appearing together on the same platform in “one accord.” For many who have called Calvary Chapel their home church the possibility of such once sound men of God (Laurie & Smith) appearing with an obvious wolf in sheep’s clothing (Warren) seems absolutely inconceivable. However, the truth of the matter is that is exactly what has happened. I have done many posts on this blog and my other blog related to the Heresy and Leaven that Rick Warren has introduced into the Evangelical, Christian, movement. This post is not so much to warn you of Rick Warren as it is to warn you about the dangers occurring inside Calvary Chapel. Rick Warren’s leaven has infiltrated Harvest church for years, it has filtered into smaller Calvary Chapels, and with the stamp of approval that Chuck Smith has now given it, the Leaven and Heresy that is Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life has come to roost in Harvest and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.

Chuck Smith.Chuck is the Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and known as one of the key persons of influence of the Jesus People Movement. Honesty I know very little about the ‘Jesus people movement.’ I have attended Calvary Chapel the length of my entire walk with Jesus Christ and never once cared to look into when or why this ‘movement’ started. When I had entered in to this ‘fold’ I had felt I was getting clear biblical teaching of God’s word. And I was. The Calvary Chapel of the past has changed dramatically. What Pastor Chuck started all those years ago has become an extended family that has grown up generations of Christ loving, God fearing people. Today however, with the acceptance of one of the most dangerous false teachers, Rick Warren, Calvary Chapel has much to lose and little to gain from yoking itself with Purpose Driven heresy. As I stated before, Rick’s relationship with Greg has not been kept in isolation, many people have known of this, however the fear that the ‘leadership’ from the top…ie, Pastor Chuck Smith, to accept Rick Warren’s heresy and to condone it has tipped the scale. Many people in the Emergent Church movement have been waiting for the day that Chuck would ‘accept’ Emergent and Purpose Driven as a movement that not even Chuck could deny it’s power to move people. However, simply because people are moved emotionally and spiritually deceived into a spiritual ‘experience’ does not make that a move of God. In 2006 Chuck Smith himself released a positional paper that denounced the Emergent Church, however today he is by his actions denouncing the very stand he took only some three years ago. Today the rebuke doesn’t seem to come, however I trust the Lord is working out His perfect will even as it appears that evil is prospering. It must be said that today Chuck is only expressing publicly what he has held as true privately for a long time. I can say that because many sheep have been stumbled by his actions to shield and protect Greg Laurie and Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren. There have been events that have caused people to stumble that have been hosted by CCCM, and other “Calvary Chapel Pastors” over the years. It has been years. This didn’t happen over night. Senior Pastors from the biggest to the smallest Calvary Chapel on the Directory KNOW what has been going on. They have had overt warnings, they’ve had whispered concerns expressed by critically hurt sheep and have denied to address the problem of the leaven that is Rick Warren and his blasphemous counterfeit gospel.

My Appeal to Pastor Chuck Smith, with all due respect to what you’ve done in the past, what you are doing now and what’s been happening for some time is stumbling and scattering the flock that God entrusted to you and countless other Calvary Chapel Pastors.

8. The great confusion that exists in the divergent positions of the Emergent Church results from their challenging the final authority of the Scriptures. When you no longer have a final authority, then everyone’s ideas become as valid as the next person’s, and it cannot help but end in total confusion and contradictions.

There are those who say that Emergent movement has some good points, but so does a porcupine. You are better off if you don’t get too close!-Chuck Smith, 2006

Rick Warren. I’ve said enough.

“Thank you Greg for preaching at 4 of the 6 services at Saddleback.” Rick Warren.

Articles from my blogs on Rick Warren:

Rick Warren & Tony Blair ♦ Warren’s New Social Gospel bible ♦ Rick Warren catapults Obama among ‘Evangelicals’ by hosting a ‘conversation’ with Obama and McCain at Saddleback Church ♦ Rick Warren’s Flip Flop Morality; is he For Marriage or Gay Unions? He can’t decide ♦ Did you know Warren is a Southern Baptist? Even they speak out against his false teaching! ♦ Rick Warren’s Interfaith Prayer at Inauguration called on the name of Isa, Jesus of Islam! ♦

Articles on Rick Warren from Other Sites:

Olive Tree Ministries, Understanding the Times, Slice of Laodicea , Crosstalk, Prophesy News Watch, Joel’s Trumpet, Eric Barger, Lighthousetrails, OneNewsNow

References to Warren at Laurie’s Harvest Crusade:

[The following sites are not an endorsement nor am I in agreement with the sites cited.]

Christian Post August 13, 2009 ♦ ANS August 19, 2009 ♦ Greg’s Images Twittered live from Harvest 2009 ♦ ♦ RT (re-tweet) of Rick Warren’s comment about Greg Laurie speaking at Saddleback ♦ Official Harvest Crusade 2009 Video Sunday, Chuck Smith introduces Rick Warren @ 10:47 min ♦ National Worship Leaders Conference 2009, Greg Laurie [the sites listed are reference points they do not represent sites that I endorse but are merely used to provide further information]

NWLC 2009 Reggie M. Kidd did a segment entitled: “Showing the Story with the Ancient Church” the main topics included:

In this seminar, we take up the biblical basis for the unity of Word and Table in worship that emerged in the early church. We introduce four important texts
for understanding ancient future worship.
We look at three, practical legacies of ancient worship:
• the reading of Scripture,
• the Eucharistic prayer,
• the chanting of the psalms

National Worship Leader Conference 2008, Skip Heitzig Calvary Chapel Albuquerque

You must understand who the speakers are at these events (Research Leonard Sweet), what they believe, and teach to understand the implications. There are people who become stumbled because they believe some on the ticket to be ‘men of God.’ Some of these ‘men of God’ have taught on other types of heresy, or false doctrine, yet still are unequally yoked and keeping company with darkness.

The Answer to the Question. You may be asking yourself right about now, “What does this all mean?” What am ‘I’ implying by voicing all the things that have been said in this post? Am ‘I’ calling Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith, heretics, false teachers, false prophets…? God’s word answers that for you.

2 Peter 2

¹But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

²Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

³and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 Peter 5

The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:² Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

³ Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being examples to the flock.

Matthew 18

⁷ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

⁸ Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

⁹ And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

¹⁰ Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

¹¹ For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

1 Timothy 4

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;² Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

³ Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

⁴ For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

⁵ For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

⁶ If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Test all things. Test the Spirit. Test what is being preached and taught in your church against the WORD of God. I recently commented to a friend if people tested all ‘Pastors, Speakers, Authors, etc’ against the true Word of God then there wouldn’t be a need for ‘Discernment Ministries.’ There has been volumes of warnings out on Rick Warren, Purpose Driven Life, Emergent/Emerging Church, Dominionist Theology, Mysticism, Ancient Future Worship, etc. The hour is late and there is little time to go through all that is now masquerading itself as ‘light’ in this world…but by all means try to do your own homework. Do not take anything of what I’ve said in this post or any other for that matter without holding it up to see if it’s true.

2 Corinthians 6

¹⁶ And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

¹⁷ Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

¹⁸ And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

One last answer to the broken-hearted out there who is grieving and mourning for the truth in matters….

All this has shown me is that there is no one righteous, no not one, especially myself! I make no claims to be more holy than the next person. I know that nothing good dwells in me and that I am a chief sinner. One thing I do know is that God is doing a continuing sanctification and by the Blood of the Lamb alone am I saved! Rejoice brother and sister in the Lord, for the time is near and the times are proving themselves to be the last days that our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken of. I know there is a remnant out there. I know there are people who love Jesus Christ Messiah and seek to do His will. Let us focus our eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, SON of the Living God! Our faith is bound up in Jesus Christ and none other!

Ezekiel 33

⁶ But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

**Update** 4-27- 2010

Finally a ministry with tons of connections comes out with a warning on what I’ve already expressed in this article and many countless others have been trying to express for years now~ better late than never:

Calvary Chapel Alert: Calvary Chapel Albuquerque (Skip Heitzig) Hosting New Age Mystic Leonard Sweet

(but let’s be clear this isn’t the first year he’s invited Leonard Sweet! AND it’s not that Chuck Smith doesn’t know about it or other CC Pastors…)

Post Primary Commentary: Below are my thoughts now in 2012, three years after the infamous embrace at Harvest August, 17th 2009.

The site above with a line through was Moriel, they disabled that link so it’s useless to have it up; and they never warned about Rick Warren’s connections to Greg Laurie or his visit in 2009 and embrace with Chuck Smith Sr.Further above in this post was a group of links to articles outside of my own blog posts who have written about Rick Warren; those sites I disabled the links to because I DO NOT support, endorse, or agree with those sites any longer. It has come to my attention over the years that those who placate and remain silent on truly exposing those within Calvary Chapel, who’ve enjoyed decades long employment and ministerial support, are just as guilty as perpetuating the lie within Calvary as the ones they claim to “expose;” namely Rick Warren.

Since this post in 2009 not one major discernment site reported on this union (Warren/Smith/Laurie). In fact since the Harvest 2009 20th Anniversary there has been much more leaven within Calvary Chapel and since then the failure of the major Discernment Sites and “Discernment Ministries” to expose the true and very real deception inside of Calvary Chapel has become over abundantly clear and pervasive. Those who expose Calvary Chapel and their fake discernment ministries that keep them afloat giving the appearance of a discerning church are the ones who are laboring and getting attacked from the CC machine. There is a vast and broad network within the Calvary Chapel “Movement” that crosses denominational divides. The Baptist Churches are involved too and I would venture to say that many of the “Emergent Churches” who have been declared the Devil incarnate by the organized controlled Discernment Ministries were really birthed out of the CC movement and the early hippies who saw CC moving toward Yuppeidom rather than staying “true” to their “emerging” styles in the early 70′s. This article “Woe” cost me nothing to post; I was an unknown blogger who had to send out mass emails to my friends and family to get readers. Now I don’t bother anyone with when I post a new article; however, I do have some more readers today than I did in 2009, but I am still very much an unknown. I do not have “secret” information; I do not know the upper echelons of Calvary Chapel. I do not work with anyone within Calvary Chapel or their subsidiaries. I am one person, with a heart for the body of Christ and I pray that those who are entrapped by the snare of the false teachings of CC and their organized discernment ministries will make their way out.

John 10: ²⁷ My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: ²⁸ And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Walter J. Veith, LHT, and some Amazing Discoveries

Amazing Discoveries is a Seventh Day Adventist website. Another blog exposed AD in 2010 you can view the warning and expose here:

WARNING: SDA Evangelistic Drive, AMAZING DISCOVERIES 2010 @ Mosaic Theatre (10 Nov – 4 Dec)

Beware of Amazing Discoveries: it is a website of the Seventh Day Adventists and these FREE “presentations” are part of their 2010 Evangelistic Drive by John Carter.

I had not read this post until I had been on the AD site trying to discern who Walter J. Veith was. I had started a video of his and was waiting for him to state what faith he was and while the video was playing of course I began a google search. I was led to Amazing Discoveries which hides its SDA affiliation pretty darn well. I went to the ‘Store’ section and lo and behold some findings truly Amazed me!

There under the “other” section were authors and speakers I had become familiar with in the evangelical world. Names like, Warren Smith, Roger Oakland, Lee Strobel, videos by: Chris Pinto and Jim Tetlow.

These discoveries fueled me even further to find out what affiliation AD has, and finally I found out that Walter J.Veith is in fact one of those “saved from science” fellows but he’s not just a recovering Evolutionist, he’s a Seventh Day Adventist. He finally did come around to admit his “new faith” at the end of the video I was watching. For the first half he spoke of seeking a Catholic priest’s help in a spiritual battle in his home, he even referred to himself as a “good Catholic” and didn’t amend that until the end of the video, when stating his SDA faith.

I thought it odd that an author like Roger Oakland would be referred to on this site especially since they were quoting him from his book, Faith Undone, published by Lighthouse Trails, and in that very book I recall Oakland addressing the “cult” of SDA. Odd right? Then there was the use of Warren Smith’s book alerting on the dangers of the New Age, Contemplative Spirituality and Emergent, but Discerning the World’s post was a warning elicited by AD showing up at a Mosaic Conference? Odd again. It seems the “Exposing Deceptions” portion in the advertising should really read, Spreading Deceptions. See, even the SDAers have their version of evolutionists who turn into creationists, people “escaping” evil Roman Catholic Church, etc. This is another web of deception, another enclave set up to keep the whole realm of SDAers vexed and chasing the wind in hopes that they never truly discern what their own false church is propagating.  Why would Lighthouse Trails sell their product to AD? Or how is it that this site lists all these familiar Evangelicals? I know people in the SDA church who are so fanatic they would look at this union as heretical, as SDAers don’t believe people outside of SDA religion are even capable of salvation for breaking the Sabbath! How is it that these authors and speakers who speak against Ecumenicism find themselves being promoted by the very cults they speak against? How many more denominations, cults, and sects, have similar webs set up to catch them up? Broad is the way that lead to destruction…

Click on Thumbnails for Enlarged Pic. *I have known about this connection for sometime (months) and I’m just now alerting you readers. There is another blog that “warns” and “alerts” to the same deceptions I do, however they post videos from SDAers and also advertise for these false discerners by listing the same videos produced by those they claim to expose, tricky, so watch yourself out there!

The Network: Discernment/Deception Broad is the way

I must preface this piece with a disclaimer and a warning; first of all I must let you know that any discernment group or organization mentioned hereafter is not being attacked personally. I am not here to make enemies, I am here to call into question affiliations and discrepancies as I see them and obviously I do not expect any in the aforementioned to respond or give an account to me, you could say the questions are rhetorical in nature and are meant to elicit critical thinking in the reader if nothing else at all is accomplished. Second, a warning to those who are attempting to instigate or lure me out, I do not count myself worthy of such attention but if you should be trolling around seeking to devour and lay blame at my feet for exposing conspiracies that no one in the “Networks” would ever expose than truly you’re wasting your time. I do not write for anyone, I am not part of any organized group of “discernment” ministry, I do not have a P.O. Box and various ghost sites soliciting money for fake “ministries.” I do not travel the world or speak throughout the country and thus have no need of “love offerings.” I have no “fan” base, I have nothing but time and prerogative and if I see something I’m going to say something, isn’t that what “The State” wants anyway? I understand controlled opposition. I understand the modus operandi of those who elicit even those of us who are unconnected to the game and try to wield us like puppets. Since I am aware of some of the controlled opposition’s tactics I exert the right to start and stop, gain reflection, seek God’s guidance in all things, and above all; live my life to the best of my ability applying God’s grace and affection toward me, a wretch, who has been given a gift of eternal life through Christ Jesus.

The Network: A lily pad?

I have been looking back recently; researching old connections amongst the brethren, trying to ascertain how far back they go and also to find lost pieces of history that often get buried on the ‘internet’ because history is often being rewritten. This morning I found an old site called (Irvinellis)Tri-pod.com, this site is called “End Times Journal” on it’s face page. It’s director is Irvin W. Ellis, he’s Canadian. This old out dated unattended (ghost) site is said to have begun in 1999 and appears to have had active journals through 2001/3 but has nothing new on it. It also says it is an extension of Understand The Times (UTT) a ministry of Roger Oakland.

“A few days ago while I was thinking about deception, an illustration I once heard came to my remembrance. Every “lily pond” begins with a single “lily pad.” The first leaf that appears on the pond usually is quite inconspicuous. This single original “mother pad” divides and becomes two. The two pads then divide to become four, the four become eight, the eight divide to become sixteen, and the process continues until eventually the entire pond is covered. The point that is being made here is quite simple. Notice before the very last division of the lily pads, the pond is only half covered. The single pad that was once inconspicuous has now become much more significant. As we can see, the process of covering the pond did not happen at a linear rate. The pond was covered by a process we call a geometric progression. The paradigm shift that has taken place within Christianity over the past several decades has occurred in the same way that lily pads cover a pond.” Roger Oakland- “What’s happening in the Church Today, End Times Journal 1999 vol.1 No.1” (site used as reference not an endorsement)

He was meditating on “deception,” and allegorically applied the lily pond, infected as it were, by one lily pad. There are key words in this small excerpt that stand out to me as well as questions. My first question would be, Where and/or whom did you hear the illustration of a lily pad, is this a common mathematical allegory or was this an implanted memory? Second sentence, the first leaf of the lily pad is “often inconspicuous?” Really, is this an assertion or an opinion? If we stay with the theme of using the lily pad scenario and apply it to spiritual matters, is this “mother pad” (sentence three) the Roman Catholic Church? How inconspicuous is the RCC? Truly the first leaf would be Mystery Babylon, the epicenter of all abhorrent pagan religions, correct? The “mother pad” divides into two, maybe that is where we see Babylon and Rome? The two become four, could we be jumping ahead to Greece, Alexander the great? See the Book of Daniel. The following keeps multiplying however Oakland uses the term “dividing.” Maybe I’m a total ingoramous in math, but we’ll leave the math to the smart people. The pond is covered by a “process we call a geometric progression,” who is “we” in this statement? Is the ‘we’ a reference to people in general who all know about Geometric Progression or those who are purposely blanketing the church with deception, or the ones who are assisting in this article? Lots of questions when I see someone referring to ‘we’ in an article that is supposedly written by one single person. (1+1 (n)= we) Last sentence in this excerpt, “The paradigm shift” that has taken place within Christianity over the past several decades has occurred in the same way…” Ok, first off the use of “Paradigm shift” is alerting, I guess to Roger Oakland who had at this point already done extensive study in terminology of New Agers is not bemused by throwing this lingo in whenever it suits, but for me it struck a chord. Then the term, “within” Christianity is mentioned, this to me indicates that he knows there’s a deception taking place “within” the body and it’s purposeful not an accident, not undetermined in its goal, but mathematically evident and while the church is Dividing, the deception is able to multiply.  Keep in mind this article was written in 1999 (so we are told). Prior to this article, in 1997, another collaborative effort was made via Reel Productions.

Another Piece of the Network

A movie entitled, Countdown to Eternity, directed by Jim Tetlow, staring: Chuck Smith, Dave Hunt, Chuck Missler, Roger Oakland and Bill Gallatin was made in 1997, produced by Eternal Productions founder Jim Tetlow head of Harpazo Network (the Harpazo Network has mysteriously disappeared, or been Harpazo’d, I wonder if Missler was involved?). The boys club put together this highly ‘factual’ account of the impending doom of our last days based on the current hysteria and calamity that was befalling the late 1990′s. I’ve watched the first half of this film, via YouTube, and it’s telling that the script hasn’t diverged much since the inception. The crux of the message has maintained its initial steam and that is; to use the headlines of the day, “to apply” them to Scripture, and use them to illustrate that we are in the Last Days. You could justly stop me here and say, “Isn’t that what N4TM claims to do?” Granted, I learned from the best, I was a dubious follower of many of these people I’m now exposing. I was once receiving newsletters from: Missler, strategic trends alerts, UTT, LHT, Prophecy News Watch, Moriel Be Alert, Worldview Weekend Alerts,  and I’m sure others I can’t think of at the moment because it’s been so long since I’ve been a subscriber to anyone! Now rather than try to “apply” the headlines and see how they apply to scripture I am trying to provide information, discern information, and not be blinded and brainwashed by the spin doctors both in and out of the church, but -I digress. As I watched Roger Oakland and Chuck Smith assert with such conviction that the depletion of the ozone layer and the resulting increase in Skin Cancer was proof positive that Revelation 16:8-10 was coming to pass through this tangible means I couldn’t help but realize three things, (1) they really believe what they are saying (at the time), (2) they continue to blindly state the obvious and convolute it to scripture today, and (3) they truly corrupted the scriptures to illustrate Ozone Layer Depletion + Skin Sores = Last Days. Here we are back to simple math, it’s where I’m best so I will stick to basic arithmetic. The portion of scripture being referenced are the fourth and fifth bowl judgments. Correct me here if I am wrong but these bowls follow the revelation of Anti-Christ, the worship of the Beast, the mark of the beast being taken and conversely according to All those involved in this video who believe that the Rapture has already occurred, why or how could skin cancer be a mark of the Last Days especially since the whole church is still left on the planet to see these bowl judgments they are referencing to use that we are in the last days (circa 1997)!? Do you see the logic? The simple math does not add up, or rather it does, its summation is this; these men are either fool hearted and are so in love with the Lord that they cannot discern that they are twisting scripture because they desire so desperately for Christ’s return, or they know exactly what they are doing, what they are saying, are being told by the first leaf (mother pad) on what to say and throughout the years have done little in terms of changing their false prophecies and false statements other than applying ‘Current’ news events to match their flawed reasoning of the last days. I found this also, I am not sure if this has anything to do with the video Countdown to Eternity 1997, but it’s a book of the same exact title co-authored by Chuck Missler and Woody Young; Countdown to Eternity, 1992. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the video, especially since the book illustration looks exactly like the original film version cover art and Chuck Missler is also in the video, I’m positive it’s coincidence. (see below for pics)

*Jim Tetlow, director/producer/founder of Eternal Productions has also produced other videos staring Roger Oakland: Queen of All and Messages from Heaven. Here is a site that still mentions the Harpazo Network and Jim Tetlow, however the Harpazo.net has been harpazo’d from the internet. (Links NOT an endorsement-as always)

False Assertions via Current DVD’s continue

By looking back one can determine that what we see now at present day is newly gift wrapped old claims and false prophecies in HD format. If you thought the Network stopped making movies in 1997 you’d be dead wrong. Remember the Left Behind series? There are untold tentacles in the production world that pump out sensationalist movies that the END IS NEAR and it doesn’t take much investigating to find them. For instance, I started with Countdown to Eternity, look at the production company from that initial movie, it leads you to new ghost sites, then look at other movies (Docudrama’s they are called in some circles) and look at the production companies there, check out the directors, the “actors” or “expert speakers,” and see what you will find, a vast network of organized minions working around the clock disseminating falsities. Caryl Matrisciana is another member of the Network. She and her husband have been around for decades. Caryl’s husband Pat Matrisciana has been playing all sides of the game. He is a producer of film both secular and non-secular. Pat has ties to CIA and other notorious elk like Tim LaHaye. It is no wonder that Caryl is in the same business as her husband. She is supposedly a ‘former’ cult follower of yoga. I state supposed because when someone’s early years are not recorded and we are simply told this information and expected to believe it in my opinion it is questionable. Caryl Matrisciana co-authored Roger Oakland’s book, “The Evolution Conspiracy,” 1991(forward by Hal Lindsay). Caryl and Pat Matrisciana (Jeremiah Films) have been dear close friends of Roger Oakland, or at minimum constant friends through the decades and have helped produce and sell his various DVD’s. Pat Matrisciana produced the film version of Evolution Conspiracy: A quantum Leap into the New Age in 1988. Caryl and Roger’s most recent venture being, “Wide is the Gate,” a revamped and updated (factual) account of the apostasy gripping the church and why we’re in the last days type of video. Caryl has had an interesting life, her bio speaks volumes (not an endorsement). Wide is the Gate volume 2 includes the following speakers:

ABOUT THIS DVD: 5 PARTS – 40 MINS EACH: Experts interviewed by Caryl Matrisciana for WIDE IS THE GATE VOLUME 2 include Eric Barger, Jason Carlson, Mike Gendron, Sarah Leslie, Jan Markell, Tom McMahon, Johanna Michaelsen, Brenda Nickel, Roger Oakland, Chris Quintana, Warren Smith, Ray Yungen, Paul Wilkinson and others.

Nothing Personal (referring to disclaimer and warning in preface)

Notice all the names of experts and how often you will see them endorsing one another, sharing pulpits and conferences, selling each others books, DVD’s, etc. This is a Network my friends that goes deep and wide, “Broad is the way,” and this is the main reason you will never see them truly exposing one another. This is not even the tip of the iceberg. If the Network exists start to ask yourself some key questions. Do the research and see if these people are or are not truly interwoven with one another. Whether or not some started out for the good and were turned is not the point if they are in fact turned already, because they truly have to know that they are working for someone/thing and ultimately when Mammon is behind much of the motivation how can the perpetuity of truth really be claimed?

This post was inspired by the new version of history, Let there be Light, because there was once an original book, Let there be Light, Roger Oakland and Dan Wooding 1993 (with forward by Chuck Smith).
Now you have to find out who Dan Wooding is…

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Slight of hand: False Prophet Chuck Missler still on Speaker Schedule with other Calvary Chapel “Discerners”

Chuck Missler a False Prophet

Chuck Missler has been exposed for his myriad, some might say quantum leap, into full fledged apostasy. He’s been exposed over the years and more recently for endorsing a book by his friend and board member Steve Berger on Necromancy, “Have Heart.” Chuck Missler has also been exposed to having ties with a New Age believer, William Welty, and for perpetuating a centralized form of currency in Africa called the “Auric;” see here for article.  Chuck Missler continues to have ties to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and speaks for the Creation Science Fellowship; see here for article. Chuck Missler has also direct ties to the Vatican via “Father Justo Lacunza Balda” an advisor to Chuck Missler (Google it). All this mounting evidence that Chuck Missler is amiss and yet people whom you’ve been led to believe are great “Discerners” of  Apostasy, Heresy, Emergent Church, and New Age continue to take the platform with Chuck Missler, who is really a proponent of all that the other speakers say they are against.  Is it because they don’t know about Chuck Missler? Certainly they know? I know there is one man on the above speaker schedule whom I directly contacted with my concerns about Chuck Missler. I did get a reply when I asked why he was speaking with Chuck Missler in (was formerly) February 2012, “I WILL NOT GO THERE,” was the answer I got, referring to the topic of Missler. Well, don’t be fooled when you go to the Link for this Conference and you see the portraits of the speakers with one man missing, because he’s still on the schedule as of today, January 20, 2012. There’s still time I guess for these “Discerners” to come forward and separate themselves from a False prophet who teaches and endorses heresy, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting.

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**UPDATE** Miraculously overnight something happened. Two names on the above “Scheduled Speakers,” David Hocking (Hope for Today), and Roger Oakland (Understand the Times, Intl.) are not on the PDF Brochure for Titus213 Red River Prophecy Conference. Although as of 60 seconds ago the above schedule is still on the website. I have been told these two “Discerners” are no longer on the docket to speak. This is unofficial news and the site seems a little misleading to say the least, deceptive at best, but maybe that is for my benefit. Would Roger Oakland and David Hocking make any official statement about “Pulling out” of this Missler Conference? I doubt it because they have more to answer for beside Missler. Missler’s connections go far deeper and wider than this silly conference. Their relationship with Missler extenuates past Red River Bible Conference and Missler’s cohorts reach back around to both Oakland and Hocking. Hocking has many unsavory ties and these gentleman aren’t about to forfeit their livelihoods for the sake of standing on pure doctrinal truth. They’ve had ample time and opportunity until now and I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Take the information for what it’s worth.The trickery will continue and perhaps someone will attempt to slander me for bringing attention to this conference; or better yet they can continue to ignore me and my posts since I’m so ineffective anyway. Bravo, Roger and David, and those organizers of the Red River Bible Conference.

**Update** I see that Titus213hope.com has set up a whole new site to advertise for their 2012 conference that at one time had Roger Oakland speaking alongside False Prophet Heretic Chuck Missler. Rather than drop Chuck Missler, some speakers dropped out over the controversy: David Hocking, Roger Oakland and Ray Yungen. These speakers as well as the website I linked to that advertised for this have moved to this site: http://www.titus213hope.com/page1.php

November 10,2011 Screenshot of speakers

2 Corinthians 6:13-18

¹³ Now for a recompense in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

¹⁴ Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

¹⁵ And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

¹⁶ And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

¹⁷ Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

¹⁸ And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

**See my most recent post on Chuck Missler, Posted 8.13.12 “Chuck Missler is Amiss.”

Update. I just saw this on YouTube, it’s for a “Discernment Conference” in 2011. Notice all the “Discerners.” The Network that Discerns together stays together…

*Caryl Matrisciana *Roger Oakland *Ray Yungen *Warren Smith *Sandy Simpson

Just in case you were wondering where did Roger Oakland go? He really didn’t go anywhere, he’s still here: http://www.rogeroakland.com/ still getting advertising and speaking spots. The rest of the lot are still yammering about too. They are the network, too much invested to disappear.

A Time to Speak

Ecclesiastes 3

 ¹To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: ²A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; ³A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; ⁴A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; ⁵A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; ⁶A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; ⁷A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; ⁸A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. ⁹What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth? ¹⁰I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. ¹¹He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. ¹²I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life. ¹³And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. ¹⁴I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. ¹⁵That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past. ¹⁶And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. ¹⁷I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. ¹⁸I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. ¹⁹For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. ²⁰All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. ²¹Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? ²²Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/roger-oakland-exposes-not-chuck-missler.html

Chuck Missler is Compass.org.

Chuck Missler is Sowing Circle.

Chuck Missler is Koinonia House.

Chuck Missler is Blue Letter Bible.

Chuck Missler is SwanSat.

Chuck Missler is Steeling the Mind Conference.

Chuck Missler is off Doctrinally. Chuck Missler is a promoter of false teachers, prophesies falsely, and profits from the sheep he is deceiving.

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Back story: “Why is Roger Oakland sharing the pulpit with Chuck Missler when we all seem to know Chuck Missler is off doctrinally and is a promoter of false teaching, teachers, and is connected  to the UN and Rome?”

In the summer I was asked by an unnamed source to “Look into Missler.” So I did. What I found was a conglomerate of information on a slew of false teachers Chuck Missler endorses and works with steadily. Missler is a CNP member, Tim LaHaye is the founder of Council on National Policy. The CNP acts like a Conservative Right Wing version of CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and is highly secretive about its membership. The CNP does however like to brag and hold conferences and “Fundraisers” so occasionally we do find out who are CNP members. Chuck Missler is a CNP member. He also is the founder of Blue Letter Bible. Blue Letter Bible is naturally a part of every Calvary Chapel website. Blue Letter Bible says it was created by Sowing Circle. Sowing Circle is also Chuck Missler. Chuck Missler is also Koinonia House and Koinonia Institute. KI (Koinonia Institute) has on its Board of Regents: Roger Oakland, David Hocking, Tim LaHaye, Ron Matsen (also a UTT Board Memeber), Skip Heitzig (friend of Billy Graham and Jesuit General Boykin), William Welty (Co-Founder of SwanSat, and ISV with Missler), Bill Koenig (Washington “Correspondent”), Joseph Farah (Editor and founder of World Net Daily and a CNP member).

Chuck Missler is consumed with Numerology and Kabala (Jewish Mysticism). He claims he’s warning ‘you’ the Christian about all this; however I believe his obsession in talking about Trans-humanism, Nephilim/Aliens, and Quantum Physics is really his way to form a narrative in the mind of the Christian. He’s involved in government plans in Africa to create a central form of currency, he’s supposedly sending up satellites to create a means of Global Communication, he’s at the helm of the most widely used bible tool on the internet –Blue Letter Bible, altering the word of God via the ISV, and he’s propagating false prophesies (Y2K, Nephilim will return, etc.). In the Book that Chuck Missler co-wrote with his wife Nancy Missler it is stated that lukewarm Christians will be in outer darkness, a sort of purgatory. This is a paraphrase from what I remember of reading obviously, but I thought that it was highly unusual for such a renown “Bible Scholar” who runs an Institute on how to read the bible to get that so blatantly wrong. Missler was handing out his book for free like candy at a prophesy conference a few years back. A friend of mine read the book; it was so disturbing that she approached her then senior Pastor with her concerns when it was later revealed that the pastor was going to host a Steeling the Mind conference at their particular Calvary Chapel. The senior pastor knowing that Chuck Missler is the origin of Steeling Mind the Conferences, via Compass.org heard the evidence and did nothing. The Steeling Mind conference was still held. Chuck Missler is part of the original group at the birth of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. He worked at various Government installations while he was “teaching the Bible at Calvary Costa Mesa.” His money is tied to Calvary Chapel. His Compass.org organizes Israel trips that many other Senior CC pastors can utilize. Missler’s Compass works as an “agent” for all those popular “Teachers, Watchers, and Discernment Elite” who are on the list as available to come to your church. Money is not the root of all evil, the LOVE OF MONEY, is. When money that comes from such a blatant Wolf is what is funding your ministry or missions comes before the Gospel there is a problem. I truly believe there are those with hearts for children and the lost, but if you know the funds are coming from an evil source it’s greater to stand on the Gospel and Christ’s Righteousness than worry about where the money is going to come from. God is able to care for His children. There was an article that attempted to ‘cover’ for “good guys” who get snickered into speaking on the same platform with “bad guys” to form “bridges.” Sorry, that article was more controlled opposition. In this particular situation, I know of five or six people who directly asked Roger Oakland why he’s speaking with Chuck Missler in 2012 when all the evidence is stacked against Missler. Once the Sowing Circle/Blue Letter Bible money link to missions run by Oakland became evident, and sharing the Board of Regents between UTT and Koinonia Institute became evident, it became perfectly clear why there was a silence on this question. When I was first asked to look up Missler it was for another “Watchman” who is popular in alerting the church body about New Age Infiltration (not Oakland), and that speaker directly replied to me “Thanks for the information.” He went on to speak with Missler anyway as well. This is not for the faint of heart folks; the Word of God is true and will be fulfilled.

Jesus warned us that these false brethren would rise from among us. We should not be so surprised when we see once “rock solid” bible teachers etc., fall by the wayside. There were attempts in LOVE to contact Roger Oakland regarding all this information. People who personally sat across from him while he remained silent. The Lord can certainly still do a work, I don’t deny that. I can be wrong. All this could be planted information and Chuck Missler could be a saint and not who we have discovered him to be, but I don’t think so. What does this mean for you who have counted on the information by said ministries? It only says, lay down all idols, and follow Christ alone. Rest on the Pure word of God and the ability of the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom  to discern the spirits. Stop denying the power and might of the Holy Spirit by leaning on men (and women) and their interpretation and trust in the Lord again to complete the work He started. Things are crazy right now in the world but even more so in the Church. We need to wake up and trim our wicks now more than ever. The deception is deep, wide, and viral. I pray for all those involved in this mess. I pray somehow through all this the Lord God Almighty will be glorified, that we can say “Praise God! He is Calling me yet again unto Himself!” Do not be dismayed or afraid, our Lord is covering those whom He has called. Pray. Pray. Pray.

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I will not Follow

I will not follow man. I pray that those who stumble upon this site will take into consideration any and all idols that have been placed on the mantle before your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Men fail. Men are not to be worshiped. Men are not the sole mediators between God the Father and you, that is a place held by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

If you are upset that your idol has been confronted, has been shaken from the lifted up place in your heart it’s time to ask the Lord to search out your heart. There are men who come ‘in the name of the Lord’ but by their actions and in-actions are revealing a deeper truth, their lord is their belly; and their idols are being protected rather than revealed and repented of. There is a Great Apostasy taking place. One that the likes of Christians world wide will never have experienced before. There is a time that you have to choose your delusion, you can choose to not know, to look the other way, to be purposeful in your lack of discernment, but then that time will close and your delusion will no longer be your own. I pray that if you are a Christian, Redeemed, Regenerate, Born Again, and seeking the Truth of Who God IS, that you will find Him. I pray that you hold up every idol to the light of Scripture and allow the Holy Spirit to minister to you. If you experience conviction of the heart, then repent, tear down the idols and go and sin no more. Our time here is short, it is a vapor. We must cling to the only truth there is and it doesn’t come from men, or women, it comes from HIS WORD.

I report on news. It’s not news to the Lord. I warn of false teachers. False teachers are of no surprise to the Lord. I plead and beg my readers to test the spirits. It is the Job of the Holy Spirit to convict the heart. I submit to you my lowly state, my anger, my frustrations, my fears, my hopes, I am no one. I am simply a daughter of God.

flashback: Woe.