Russia Will Control Georgia; Capital Tbilisi is modern day Tubal

In light of the War in Georgia which belonged to the Former Soviet Union and in relationship to the Prophesy of Ezekiel 38 & 39 I must share this information:

13. Tubal: The descendants of Tubal first come to our notice in the inscriptions of Tiglath-pileser I, king of Assyria in about 1100 BC. He refers to them as the Tabali whose original area of settlement (i.e. Tabal) was adjacent to that of Tegarama (see 5). Subsequently, Josephus recorded the name of Tubal’s descendants as the Thobelites, who were later known as the Iberes. Their land, in Josephus’ day, was called by the Romans Iberia, and covered what is now the (former Soviet) state of Georgia whose capital to this day bears the name Tubal as Tbilisi. From here, having crossed the Caucasus mountains, this people migrated due north-east, giving their tribal name to the river Tobol, and hence to the famous city of Tobolsk. (Refs: 1DB 4:717. NBD ‘Meshech’ 811. JA1. vi.1) [Source: the Nations of Japeth; Bill Cooper]

Areas of Fighting

5. Togarmah: His earliest descendants settled in Armenia. We know from certain Hittite documents that in the 14th century BC, the then region of Tegarama, which lay between Carchemish and Haran, was sacked by the ‘enemy from Isuwa’, i.e. the enemy from beyond the Euphrates. The records of both Sargon II and Sennacherib mention the city of Til-gari-manu, the capital of Kammanu which lay on the border of Tabal (see 13). Til-gari-manu lay some thirty miles due east of present-day Malatya (it is known today as Gürün, anciently Gauraena), and was not finally destroyed until the year 695 BC. It was after the destruction of Til-gari-manu that the descendants of Togarmah became lost in obscurity. In line with the Assyrian policy of that time, the survivors were uprooted and transported to other lands within the Assyrian empire (see Map 1). The name was given as Thrugramma by Josephus. (Refs: 1DB 4:662. NBD 1285. JA P 1:26)

14. Meshech: The descendants of Meshech are often spoken of in close association with those of Tubal, the Assyrians for example mentioning Tabal and Musku, whilst Herodotus writes of the Tiberanoi and Moschoi. A very much earlier reference to the peoples of Meshech, is an inscription of ca 1200 BC which tells us how they overran the Hittite kingdom; and an inscription of Tiglath-pileser I of Assyria from ca 1100 BC, who tells us that, in his own day, the Mus-ka-a-ia were able to put into the field an army of 20,000 men. The activities of this same people are also subsequently reported by Tukulti-ninurta II, Ashurnasipal II, Sargon and Shalmaneserr III, the last of whom refers to them as the Mushki. Josephus knew them as the Mosocheni (LXX Mosoch), whom, he says, were known in his own day as the Cappadocians. Some later writers have pointed out that the name of Meshech is preserved in the old tribal name of the Muscovites of Russia, after whom Moscow is named. Such an identification, it must be said, is not at all unlikely, especially when we consider the subsequent history of their historically close associates the people of Tubal, and the fact that the city is still known today in the Russian tongue as Moskva, an exceedingly close, not to say identical relationship to the Assyrian form, Musku. (Refs: 1DB 3:357. NBD 811. JAl. vi.l. P 1:26)

10. Tarshish: The father of the peoples of Tarshish, or Tartesis, who are thought by most to have settled in Spain. The Mediterranean Sea was once known as the Sea of Tarshish, and it is known that the Phoenicians built a class of vessel called a ship of Tarshish. (It was in one of these that Jonah tried to flee from Joppa in the 8th century BC.) Phoenician inscriptions found on Sardinia, and dating to the 9th century BC, mention Tarshish without, unfortunately, providing us with a positive identification of its geographical location. Josephus records the name as Tharsus, and tells that it used to be the name under which Cilicia was known, the chief and noblest city of which was Tarsus. However, for various reasons the identification is unlikely, and the matter remains unresolved. (Refs: 1DB 4:517. NBD 1239-40. JA P 1:26)

6. Magog: His immediate descendants were known as the Magogites, being later known to the Greeks as the Scythians, according to the testimony of Josephus. However, given the subsequent history of the peoples of Ashchenaz (see 3), who are far more certainly identified as the later Scythians (Gk. Skythai, and Assyr. Askuza), it is more likely that the early Magogites were assimilated into the peoples of Ashchenaz, thus making up merely a part of the Scythian hordes. The early Irish Celts traced their own lineage from Japheth through the line of Magog (see chapter 9 and Map 1). (Refs: 1DB 3:226. NBD ‘Gog and Magog’ 480-1 JA P 1:26)

Here’s a question and it’s way out there…If Tubal is Tbilisi, and we know the Anti-Christ will attempt to win over the world by “Peace” (a false peace–but really use violence) would Putin then not be the one to look at and instead….The President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili?  Or Will the Real Czar of Rosh, Meshach, Magog and Tubal Please Stand up?

Ezekiel 38: 1-6 Gog and Allies Attack Israel

1 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

UPDATE: April 2010

This post was written prior to Barack Obama’s appointment to president. Today USEUCom is tending to missions in Georgia. Georgia is filling up with American Soldiers. Why? Perhaps to ‘prevent’ a war with Russia, but since Barack Hussein Obama just signed a joint new START treaty which aims to reduce Nuclear Warheads and other WMD’s with Russia (USSR) I highly doubt that any presence in Georgia would be to truly thwart an attack but maybe more smoke and mirrors from Barack’s White House Administration and instead be used to symbolically ‘BOW’ to mother Russia. The aforementioned comments are highly speculative, and my own theory, not at all based on any intel or previous information known. I did feel it necessary to update this post with this comment because there are new reports on Georgia and this post is getting hits again…That is all, nothing to see here just more of the same which is the world convening and heading towards the ultimate goal, fulfillment of God’s Word.

“Or another example: Our Marines are conducting pre-deployment training in the Republic of Georgia, which will result in Georgian forces deployed to Afghanistan. As capabilities improve, Georgian forces are expected to be able to operate independently and eventually stand up a training program to prepare future Georgian forces for deployment.” SOURCE: ACO Allied Command Operations (link)

April 10,2010 United States European Command (Nato)

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TBILISI, Georgia — A Republic of Georgia soldier stands in formation during a ceremony marking the historic deployment of the Republic of Georgia’s 31st Light Infantry Battalion to support Marine Expeditionary Brigade Afghanistan. The 31st Battalion has been training with Marines from Marine Forces Europe and Marine Corps Training and Advisory Group for the past six months as the first of four Georgian battalions participating in the Georgia Deployment Program. The deployment marks the first time a foreign military force will deploy as part of a Marine Regimental Combat Team. (U.S. Marine photo Sgt. Rocco DeFilippis)

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  1. Verse by Verse breakdown of Ezekiel 38

    Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal:

    Gog –the Power or Person
    Land of Magog-his Pirncipality
    Prince of Rosh Mechech and Tubal- his Dominion

    In plain speech, this is saying Gog the leader, who comes from Magog (the land of the Scythians or Central Asia) and Rules over Rosh (the founders of the Ukraine, a.k.a. Rus) Meshech, (the founders of Muscovy/Moscow, a.k.a. Muscovites, and Tubal, (the founders of Georgia, a.k.a. Tiblisi) It should be geographically easy to understand that Magog, (Scythia) lies central to the other three and should be considered the binding force of these nations as such:
    Moscow (Muscovy or Meshech)

    Ukraine (Rus or Rosh) Tartarstan (Scythia or Magog)

    Georgia (Tiblisi or Tubal & Togarmah/Gomer)
    Turkey (Possibly Tarshish) Armenia (Togarmah/Gomer)
    Syria (Damascus) Iran (Persia/Elam)
    Lebanon (Tyre) Iraq (Babylon)
    Israel Jordan (Ammon, Moab, Edom)
    Arabian Nations (Likely Sheba and Dedan)

    Eze 38:4 and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords;

    The key to this passage is the understanding that this would be an organized army (all splendidly clothed) and not a ragtag invasion of terrorist factions and militias and that they would all be armed for direct combat, not suicide bombers and the like.

    Eze 38:5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet;

    The key to understanding this passage is that they come only with shield and helmet, suggesting that their weapons (swords) are not supplied by themselves. That being said: Persia (Iran) Cush, (Sudan) and Put (Lybia) all are nations without their own military industry. In fact, they all receive their weapons from one supplier: The nation of Russia.

    Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his hordes; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north, and all his hordes; even many peoples with thee.

    Gomer and Togarmah have both been ethnically linked to both Armenia and Georgia. While Every one from the Germans, Spanish, Celts, Welsh, and Turks named these two as ancestors, it is only logical to assume this prophecy consists of those nations placed around the origins of Gomer and Togarma, which is in the Caucasus mountains. If we were to conclude that everyone who traced some ancestry from these would be linked to Russia and Iran in this invasion, it would require a total abandonment of historical partnerships and enmities between all Asian and European nations to make this formula work.

    This having been said, let’s look at the nations I have named in the context of their current political leanings.

    Russia and Iran have had military arrangements for decades and Russia is behind Iran’s current nuclear policy, supplies its technicians, and vows to veto U.N. action against Iran. Russia, Ukraine and Georgia, all Orthodox Christian cultures share a bond with Armenia, currently sandwiched between Azerbaijan and Turkey, both historical and present enemies of Armenia. U.S. military bases in Georgia hinder Russia from entry into Armenia without risking direct military conflict with American forces in the region. The U.S. also has bases in Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Turkmenistan, the other immediate neighbors to Armenia and preventing a Russian/Iranian land-link.

    Turkey has a military pact with Israel with mutual interests in a Hezbollah-free Syria and Lebanon as well as Turkey needing to bolster contentions with Syria in order to reserve resources against Kurdish separatism in the East .American forces in Iraq work to shield Persian Shiites and Arabian Sunnis from direct conflict while working to weaken Hezbollah controlled Syria to the Northwest of Iraq. In the North then, it is clear there is a precarious state between Turkey, the U.S. and Israel on the one hand, and Russia, Armenia, and Iran on the other hand.

    In the South, the Arabian monarchs keep peace with America and Israel in spite of their cultural differences due to the American petro-dollar hegemony with promises to protect their regimes from foreign and domestic assailants. Lybia, and Sudan have been under the scrutiny of the west for sponsoring terrorism and for their political leanings towards Russia and Iran. In short, these many small nations lack the military and economic might to stand up to the U.S., the U.N., and the W.T.O. and NATO, which makes the following verse make perfect sense.

    Eze 38:7 Be thou prepared, yea, prepare thyself, thou, and all thy companies that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

    That all the nations involved in the are non-WTO members make this verse make sense.

    Eze 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

    Sheba and Dedan can easily be considered the peoples of the Arabian Peninsula, all Anglo-American Allies, WTO allies, and in contention with Iran over political and economic dominance of the middle east as well as divided ethnically, (Persians vs. Arabs), and religiously (Shiites vs. Sunnis)

    While there is much dispute over where Tarshish is, the best understanding is in Ezekiel itself.

    Eze 27:12 Tarshish was thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all kind of riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead, they traded in thy fairs.

    Try to find significant trade in these four minerals in any of the disputed Tarshish claims other than England–the land known especially for tin from ancient times and with no shortage of iron, lead, and silver historically. In fact, tin is not found in significant quantity anywhere around the Mediterranean to my knowledge. So then Tarshish and the young lions thereof are likely Britain and it’s former colonies (Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Possibly India–all but India with significant Evangelical Christian populations).

    I’m sold. Please offer counter research if you have any, but substantiate Ezekiel 27:12 before you claim it as any other.

  2. first of all, not Tiblisi, but Tbilisi,
    II – Tbilisi was founded in fifth sentury after B.C
    III – we know very clearly that our routs go to south, not to east or north.
    IV – when aws first written about Tubal, Tbilisi didn’t exested, but georgian nation yes…

    1. I’m not sure I understand your point. The names change but the area stays the same geographically. I may remove this article or amend it based on new information that leads me to believe that Tbilisi of Georgia may not be “North” parts that are referred to in Ezekiel 38 but more appropriately areas in Turkey which are directly North of Israel. This article is written in context of it’s prophetic role in Ezekiel’s War of Gog Magog in Chapters 38 and 39.

  3. Tbilisi was founded in V sentury by king Vakhtang Gorgasaly, he was hounting there in mounts and found warm waters. warm in georgian is Tbili, the place with warm waters is Tbilisi, this warm waters still ranning

  4. Actually the name Tubal goes back to Genesis under Cain’s line and his name was Tubal-Cainan. Just thought I would mention this.

    1. Thanks! I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia begins to stir up trouble in the region since the US is busy with Party Planning…and it’s “support” of Israel’s current war…We’ll see. I know that Ezekiel’s war does not include Syria or Egypt which leads me to believe those two will be dealt with even sooner than we think!

  5. I am sorry Guram but what yu are talking about is what is teached in the Georgian schools. Actually, Tbilisi has existed before King Vakhtang was hunting in these areas. The hunting story is only a beautiful legend. Tbilisi was a location with the castle of same name. I am not an expert of bible to say whether it is so old that you can say its etimology comes from tubal but what is for sure is the fact taht the location has existed long before Vakhtang Gorgasali. He has transformed it to the capital city and made of it a major city of all Georgians. You cannot exclude that there is some relations with Meshech as the name of Georgian provice Mes’cheti or Samzche gives us lot of food to think. Also the name of first Georgian capital city Mzcheta is very interesting to analyze in this regard.

    1. I appreciate your feedback as I am an ignorant American! I will definitely look into this more and value your constructive criticism. Please take the time to read through those scriptures, Chapters, Ezekiel 38 & 39…you may also view it here on my site as I posted a youtube video of the scriptures being spoken…then tell me what you think of the Prophesy…

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