Brian Brodersen

CCCM: Calling Closet Calvinists/Cessationists by John MacArthur

If you thought CCCM had anything to do with Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, you’d be 100% correct! But this is less about CCCM as it is more about the dual deception match that is going on between John MacArthur and Brian Brodersen.

You see John MacArthur is a Calvinist and a “Cessationist,” which is loosely defined as one who believes the spiritual gifts that the Apostles did following the outpouring of the Holy Spirit after Jesus’ ascension has completely ceased and is not available today. Brian Broderson, new papa smurf of CCCM, is an avowed “Continuationalist,” which means he does believe that the spiritual gifts can be exercised and experienced today.

What these two men leave out are their similarities. They are both playing a game of deception and its end game is causing further injury to the flock. Both are ecumenical and headed to Rome. Broderson and MacArthur are on two different trains headed to the same destination. John MacArthur is calling on his brethren within CC who are closet Cessationists to join him and gather under the “Reformed” umbrella he espouses to be holding up. MacArthur’s puritan beliefs and clinging to Calvin is supposed to be alluring. It is enticing for those who’ve not departed since the death of patron Chuck Smith, and are fearful about the new direction of CC; to return to the glory days of being “slain in the spirit,” more intense emotional and experiential “outpourings” like they once felt under Smith Sr. and Lonnie Frisbee. Then there are those new young hipster “Pastors” who were raised on soy and corn products (empty universalism and no absolute truth theology) who secretly love Calvinist ideals but also love their gluten free cupcakes (Charismatic emotional services and that “heathenistic worship music”).

bob coy john McArthur Jack Graham Swindoll LaurieLet us  be clear, John MacArthur is friends with Calvary Chapel. You don’t show up at Greg Laurie’s church and embrace the upper echelon of CC popes without stamping them with your whole hearted approval.

John MacArthur wrote a book, Strange Fire, (there’s always a book) and had a conference, of the same name, which exerted such magnitude and veracity it ignited a response “video interview” (I’d call it a PR/PA) by Brian Broderson. I did not know until after viewing the following video (scroll below) that MacArthur and the “reformed” clan have been attacking/”warning” about CC and their “charismatic” ways for some time. My first impression when watching the video was this, “Isn’t MacArthur friends with CC? Didn’t he speak at Harvest Church and for other CC pastors? Why is he all of a sudden blasting them?” But then I did some research on MacArthur and Brodersen because truly (forewarning of my ignorance) I don’t know much about either of these guys. What I know is what I’ve gathered in the past 24 hours. Sure, I’ve had people I’ve known send me links and articles “warning about MacArthur” but (no offense) I didn’t bother to read up on him because I never bothered to read/listen or watch the guy preach. I had no basis to condemn him and the greatest offense the people who sent me his info was that “he’s a “Calvinist!” Eee gads like there’s not worse out there (CC). Also I don’t know much about “Calvinism,” other than a guy named John Calvin is responsible for the ism. Sorry to inform you, I don’t know about every false doctrine out there. I was first growing in Christ, then deceived for a short time (CC), then made aware of the deception I was in and by those I had grown to trust, after which I exited and landed in a fellowship that is peculiar but nonetheless grounded. I never read John Calvin. I never read Nelson Darby, Harry Ironside, or Charles Spurgeon either. I was never taught what Armenianism is even though I attended CC for10 yrs. I’ve been busy reading Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah, Paul, James, Timothy, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and others!

The first time I read anything John MacArthur had to say was yesterday. I am way late to the bus on this. “Strange Fire” conference happened back in 2013, his book was also released then. Here is the link and a few quotes: (*Not an Endorsement*)

Deep breath-grab a barf bag if needed. It’s a lot of Quote because you need to read it in context and read discerningly looking for the switchback.

“An Appeal to Charismatic Friends.” John MacArthur ~Strange Fire Conference (transcript?)

“A few years ago I was doing an interview with NBC and there was a huge scandal in the evangelical world and this reporter on NBC television here was talking to me and he said, “Why do you let this stuff happen?  Who…this is his question…who polices your movement?  Who polices your movement?”  He couldn’t process the fact that evangelicalism was this free-for-all that didn’t have to answer to any authority, or any centrality?
And I said, “Well, really nobody polices the movement.  And that’s sad.  Who should police the movement?  I’ll tell you who should police the movement.  Every faithful pastor, and every faithful elder, and every faithful theologian, every faithful preacher and teacher of the Word of God.  And I will say this.  If Reformed leaders who know the truth and know the gospel and know the Word of God don’t police this movement, the spiritual terrorists will dominate.  It’s like Islam.  We keep hearing, “Wow, the terrorists, they’re just a small minority on the lunatic fringe.”  And we all keep saying, “Why then don’t conservative Muslims come together openly in mass and reject the terrorists?”  They don’t.  I think there’s a heavy burden that weighs on the back of all men who know the Word of God to rise up and denounce this movement.  But you don’t hear that.
So people say, “Ah MacArthur, he’s fixated on this, he’s a one-trick pony, he’s a one-ring circus, he’s always haranguing about the Charismatics. 
Well if you’re a part of Grace Church, you’d know better than that.  We’ve spent over 40 years going verse-by-verse through the New Testament.  I don’t think we’re fixed on one thing.  I came here in 1969 and since 1969 we’ve had one conference on the Charismatic Movement, and this is it, and it’s come too late, really, it’s come too late. We lanced a wound that should have been lanced long ago.  But we’ve tried to exercise patience.  I’m not fixated on this.  And by the way, they were accusing me of that yesterday when we were only two days.  Two days out of 45 years…there are other issues who have occupied us, like the exaltation of Jesus Christ, and every other thing in the Word of God.
And then we have been accused of offending people and hurting their feelings.  I don’t want to purposely do that.  I was introduced by a Charismatic leader once at a book sellers convention who introduced me as, “This is my friend, John MacArthur, who is much nicer in person than he is in his sermons.”  I hope that’s always true. I hope that I hold the truth with kindness. I hope I hold the truth with love. But when I open the Word of God, it must speak.  And to be honest with you, I do care about the feelings of people.  I do care about offending them.  But not nearly as much as I care about offending God.  (Applause)
This is an alien movement.  It is an alien movement. I don’t want to get into all the history of that, but I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately.  There is a stream of sound teaching, sound doctrine, sound theology that runs all the way back to the Apostles.  It runs through Athanasius and Augustine, and it runs through Luther and Calvin, and it runs through the great Reformation and the Reformers, and it runs through, as we were hearing last night, the Puritans and everything seemed to clear to them.  It runs through the Westminster Divines and runs through the pathway of Charles Spurgeon and David Martyn Lloyd-Jones and it keeps running and it runs through people like S. Lewis Johnson, and Jim Boice and names that we’ve used and it runs down through today to the R.C. Sprouls and others, and that’s the stream of sound doctrine.  The heroes of this generation of people in that stream, we know who they are.  You’ve been hearing about them this week.  Our hearers run back down through that same stream.  We go back to the John Rogers, we go back to the 288 Marion martyrs, we go back to Foxes Book of Martyrs, and we shed tears on the pages of that book when we see what was done to the people who carried the truth to the next generation at such a great price.
We have a deep and abiding love for a person like William Tyndale for what he has done. Those are our heroes.  But you have to understand, this other stream of evangelicalism goes back about to 1966…1966,  When the hippies came out of San Francisco, showed up in Orange County, joined Calvary Chapel and we had the launch of an informal, barefoot beach drug-induced kind of young people that told the church how the church should happen, how it should act.  Hymns went out. Suits went out.  For the first time in the history of the church, the conduct of the church was conformed to a sub-culture that was born in LSD and Marijuana in San Francisco, migrated to Southern California.  It’s a completely different stream.  That launches the informal culturally driven, culturally defined, give them what they want, kind of church that ends up in the seeker-friendly church, takes a branch in the Vineyard and the Vineyard leads to the excesses of the contemporary Charismatic Movement. That’s a completely different stream.  That’s not our stream. Those aren’t our heroes.
I don’t go back to Lonnie Frisbee who led the Jesus Movement and died of AIDS as a homosexual, I don’t go back there. That’s not my stream.  But that’s the stream that has produced the culturally bound, culturally driven, seeker-driven church movement. And while there are good and bad and better and best, and worst elements of it, that’s where it comes from.  We’re very different…very different.  Our heroes are very different.  We know who our people are and if you say you’re on this side and you are on this side, then you have a responsibility to be faithful to this marvelous history.  If anybody is going to police this movement, it has to be the people here. 
This concerns me so much that if you haven’t seen it already, I wrote a twelfth chapter in the book, don’t open the book, I want you to read the book. But in the opening chapter, the title of the chapter is An Open Letter To My Continuationist Friends; An Open Letter To My Continuationist Friends.  Who are my continuationist friends?  People who are my friends, real friends of mine whom I respect, who have made great contributions to the church, the body of Christ, who’ve taught all of us, who’ve taught me, who’ve ministered alongside me, hand-in-hand with me, with whom I’ve prayed, sometimes for hours and hours,  with whom I’ve spoken and talked, hammered out convictions. But they call themselves continuationists because they want to give place to the Charismatic Movement.
I want to suggest that they’re not helping…they’re not helping.  We need them to help police the movement. And in that final chapter, Open Letter To My Continuationist Friends, I give eight important statements as to why they must help us.
Number one, the continuationists position gives an illusion of legitimacy to the broader Charismatic Movement.  If you say I’m a continuationist, you’ve just given credence to that movement.  You may want to contain that a little bit.  You may want to control that. But when theologically respected, conservative continuationists who represent a very small minority in the Charismatic Movement, when they give any credibility to the movement, the whole movement gets respect because of who they are.
And then you have this young generation of young, restless, Reformed, young people coming along and attaching to their heroes who are open to this Charismatic Movement and affirming the continuation of the signed gifts, and so they follow their heroes.  And either embrace that idea of continuation, or are open to that idea which is essentially one and the same.
When notable continuationists, scholars give credence to Charismatic interpretations, or fail to directly condemn unbiblical Charismatic practices, they provide theological cover for a movement that is deadly dangerous.
Secondly, the continuationists position degrades the miraculous nature of the true gifts that God bestowed upon the first century church. And we’re summing up with these statements what you heard this week.  The second point again, continuationists position degrades the miraculous nature of the true gifts that God bestowed upon the first century church.
We know God was giving revelation during the time of Christ and the Apostles.  And the gifts, signs and miracles were to validate those who were proclaiming and writing that revelation.  Hebrews 2:3, “The gospel at the first began to be spoken by the Lord and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him.  God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders and various miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His will.
Now listen, that text is meaningless…meaningless if the signs and wonders and miracles and tongues and prophecy and healing belong to everybody and everybody’s experience today.  It’s meaningless.  It isn’t any sign of anything.
Furthermore, when continuationists use the terminology of the New Testament gifts, but then define them to mean something else, they depreciate the remarkable character of the real thing.  They diminish the glorious way in which the Holy Spirit worked in the foundation of the church.  If the gifts practiced in Charismatic Churches today are equivalent to the gifts described in the New Testament, then those original gifts were nothing special and so the era was nothing special.  Hi-jacking New Testament terminology and redefining biblical gifts essentially degrades what was genuinely miraculous and what God was doing in the first century.  Reformed continuationism aids this misrepresentation.
Thirdly, the continuationists position severely limits the ability of its advocates to confront others who fall into Charismatic confusion.  What are they going to say to people who plunge into chaos and confusion?  In the book, you’re going to read some of THE most bizarre things that have been basically proffered as spiritual experiences by some of the very most well-known Charismatics, one of whom was even here today.  You’re going to read about the bizarre kind of things that should be wholesale denounced. And we keep waiting for the denunciation to come from the continuationists you would think would know better.
But it doesn’t come. They have given up the high ground and they can’t speak because they allow for it.  So by what criteria do they then discredit the claims?
Number four, by insisting that God is still giving new revelation to Christians today, the Continuationists Movement opens the gates to further confusion and error.  I mean, this is just another way of saying what we’re saying. They say there’s prophecy today but it can be wrong.  There’s tongues today, but it’s not languages.  There’s healing today but it’s not like the healings in the time of Christ and the Apostles.  The Continuationists position then invites any Christian to interpret anything as from God.  Any kind of gibberish, any kind of supposed spiritual experience, or impression, or notion, or idea that floats into the head can be considered prophecy.  It removes the authoritative, objective standard for questioning the legitimacy of anybody’s claim to revelation.
Continuationists by allowing for any of it, end up allowing for all of it because they don’t have any criteria to decide what is and what isn’t accurate.  The very idea that Christians should expect extra-revelation, extra-biblical revelation from God, mystical experiences, words of prophecy just creates a theological train wreck. When you get beyond the Word of God, you can’t contain the error.
Number five, by insisting that God is still giving new revelation to Christians today, the Continuationists Movement tacitly denies the doctrine of sola scriptura. I don’t need to camp on that because Steve made an unforgettable case for that last night.  And I’ll tell you this, no…none of my friends, none of my Reformed Continuationist friends would deny the closing of the canon.  They wouldn’t deny that.  They certainly wouldn’t deny there are 66 books in the Bible. They wouldn’t deny the authority of Scripture. They wouldn’t deny the sufficiency of Scripture.  Yet they default on the very thing they deny because they teach believers to expect extra-revelation.  There’s so many ways that can be abused.  And I’ll tell you who abuses it most, people in positions of power who want you to think they speak for God.
Number six, by allowing for irrational tongues speaking even as a private prayer language, continuationists open the door to a mindless ecstasy of Charismatic expression.  They will admit that tongues is not a language today, so what is it?  It’s this simple.  If the prophecy today isn’t like the biblical prophecy because today’s prophecy is fallible, if the tongues isn’t like the biblical tongues because it’s gibberish and not a language, if the healings aren’t like the healings of Christ, they’re not continuationists.  They’re closet cessationists. (Laughter/applause)  They’ve just said it’s not what it was, so what have they done? They’ve simply accepted a counterfeit.  You can’t be proud about that.  That’s not a noble posture to accept a counterfeit.  And it’s a counterfeit by their own admission.
     Number seven, by asserting the gift of healing has continued to be present, the continuationists position affirms the same basic premise that undergirds the fraudulent ministry of Charismatic faith healers.  If you say the gift of healing is still around, and you say it whimsically, there’s no evidence it’s around, either experimentally or biblically, but if you say it’s still around, then you have just validated healers.  Who would want to do that?  Are they not the lowest of the low?  Are they not the worst of the worst?  They don’t go to hospitals, they prey on the most desperate, the most severely ill, the most hopeless, the most destitute, very often the poorest, telling them lies and getting rich. Who would want to do anything to aid and abet them?
     And finally, the continuationists position ultimately dishonors the Holy Spirit by distracting people from His true ministry, enticing them with counterfeits.  Is it not enough to have the indwelling Spirit in the fullness of the Spirit?  Is it not enough to have the gifts of the Spirit, to have the fruit of the Spirit, to be graced by the Spirit?  Is it not enough to have all the promises of the Spirit?  Do I need to come to God and say, Give me more, give me that other thing?  I want that.  What kind of deficiency are you accusing the Spirit of?  You have dishonored the Holy Spirit.  And you have enticed people toward counterfeits, rather than heart-felt, all-consuming gratitude for the fullness of all that the Spirit has given us. And He gives not His Spirit by…what?…by measure.  The continuationists position, I think, sends stumbling blocks into the path of sanctification, spiritual growth. For two reasons.  One, it makes people think they don’t have what they need, and two, it makes people think there’s something they need to chase.  It’s really sad.
     A lot more can be said about that, and you’re going to read a lot of detail about it in the book. But I’m convinced that the broader Charismatic Movement has opened the door to more theological error, listen, more theological error than any other doctrinal aberration in this modern day.  Liberalism was bad.  Psychology was bad.  Ecumenism was bad.  Pragmatism was bad.  Mysticism was bad.  Nothing is as bad as Charismaticism cause of its extensive impact. And once that kind of experientialism gets a foothold, there’s no brand of heresy or wickedness that will not ride it into the church. 
     So that Charismatic theology then becomes the strange fire of our generation and evangelical Christians have no business flirting with it at any level.  And I think this is the time for the true church to respond. This is a time for the people who now stand on the shoulders of the Reformers in every area of their theology to be faithful to Reformation theology to its full rich intent.  If we claim allegiance to the Reformers, then we ought to conduct ourselves with the same level of courage.  Don’t call yourself a Charismatic Calvinist.  John Calvin would reject that.  John Calvin did reject that.  You’ll have to drop the Calvinist part.
     I’m concerned because I think these good and godly friends could make a massive difference in what this young generation and next generation believes about this movement, if they would take a stand where they need to take a stand.” End of Quote

N4TM Commentary:

I added bold to certain parts that I’d like to draw your attention to. The first statement about “policing the movement” is disturbing. When I read it I instantly thought of the Ecumenical One World type religion; and, the implications that “policing” people’s religious beliefs being advocated by a certain Calvinist Reformist to be disturbing.

The “alien movement” comment was actually funny. I thought of Chuck Missler, Douglas Hamp, and Tom Horn doing the wave of joy and high fiving each other.

There’s a section when MacArthur summarizes the birth of the Calvary Chapel movement, the Vineyard movement, and it’s consequent false teacher, gay hippy founder Lonnie Frisbee. Those elements are exactly true statements. When did he become made aware of this? Has he always preached against it? When I was discovering CC’s history and its birth I never came across a John MacArthur article admonishing people  to flee Calvary Chapel based on these truths. Who knows? If he knew for a long time why was MacArthur joining hands with them, speaking in their churches? Oh yes, they’re his friends. (switchback-double standard, forked tongue, liar, playing the game)

Then MacArthur correctly states that the CC movement or some within it try to “control” the gifts and put a lid on it so that it doesn’t get spun out of control. And yes everything is a miracle in CC, but so it is also in other churches of other denominations that I’ve been to who also deny the gifts for today! So which is it, are we all closet Cessationists or closet Continuationists?

The subtitle of this post could easily be “N4TM’s ignorance on doctrine and 1t post on MacArthur and Broderson.” I truly don’t know a lot about this topic. I learned the phrases, Cessationist and Continuationist, and the meaning of it in the last 24 hours; and, as I’ve stated earlier, it is by reading what John MacArthur has stated in his appeal to his friends in the Charismatic church of Calvary and Brian Broderson’s PR video in his response to John MacArthur. I watched the video first, then started my research. As I watched the video what popped out at me is that Brain Broderson is a bold face liar. He’s selling his story that John MacArthur and CC are friends, they read the same theologian’s books, they attend similar theological seminary schools, they are more alike than different but then Brodersen back tracks and says the CC system as a whole (CCCM specifically) wants to “return” to the days when they exercised “the gifts” more prominently. He ends his charade with video of MacArthur giving his Calvinist reformed blessing on CC decades ago. We who know CC more intimately than the pew potatoes know that CC is and is becoming more Ecumenical, more on the Road to Rome, than ever before. MacArthur states “Calvary” was the FIRST post modern, emergent, purpose driven, mega-seeker friendly church of the modern church history! Agreed MacArthur, agreed. There are young hipster pastors within CC now who are very much “closet Calvinists,” for the most part, they are rather open about reading Augustine, Calvin, and Luther; so what’s the big difference between the two camps?! I submit to you, nothing, there are no differences, they are both deceivers and both liars and they are friends in the end so this is all for not.

What you should know is that this is very sticky, very complicated double crossing and triple crossing. Don’t be fooled. The implications of this is the greater Apostasy in this is staggering. The move to gather the chicks under the Roman hen is more evident. It’s less subdued now and I suppose it will only get worse. Stay focused here, I’m not saying Catholicism is the One world religion, the Babylonian false church that birthed the RCC is at the helm. The Borderson-MacArthur false debate is deceiving and we should at least be made aware. As I stated at the beginning, this is less about CCCM (Brian Broderson) as it is more about MacArthur, but what this post is really about is Ahh-pasta-sea (Apostasy).

If you made it this far, please watch this video. It’s 2o min. but you’ve already wasted time reading this post!

BTW this is my first post on MacArthur so be nice and give me grace if I don’t beat the drum so loud ok. I know many of you have more knowledge on MacArthur’s false teaching. I know he’s said some pretty outrageous stuff, just from my research in the past 24 hours I can see why people disdain him. I really don’t have the time nor the stomach to waste MORE time on this topic. I think I provided enough for this post, and now back to N4TM’s regularly scheduled programing.


“Brian Brodersen was your archetypal Southern California surfer living as he did in Huntington Beach, which is known as “Surf City.” But then at the age of 22, God got hold of his life and he began riding God’s wave instead.

Brian, in an interview at the recent Calvary Chapel Missions Conference in Murrieta, CA, said, “I grew up in the surfing sub-culture of Southern California and I was involved in just about everything that people were doing at that time – drugs and alcohol and promiscuity. Surfing was the one recreational thing that I did that had some sort of a healthy aspect to it. But, in the course of living in Southern California and doing all those kind of things, I sensed the futility of life at an early age. I felt that if this was all there was to life it was really disappointing.”

Brian said that he had been raised in a nominal Roman Catholic and he knew there was a God, but didn’t know Him and didn’t know that he could.

The Beginning of His Spiritual Journey
“In the course of time, still sensing the futility of life, I began to cry out to God. One night in the late 70s, I said, ‘If you are there and if You are real then help me.’ The Lord did. One night, in my home, all by myself, I called out to God and asked him to save me and He did and that was the beginning of my new Christian life. It was the beginning of my spiritual journey.”

A Vision for England
Brian said that during this time, he began to sense a desire to plan a church in England. He said that his great great grandfather was Lord Cecil Haig who belonged to the Haig family, which was famous for brewing Scotch whisky, so this was his connection back to Britain.

“With the family connection back to Britain there was always an interest in the UK and having been involved in missions in Europe for quite a while God just began to put England on my heart specifically,” he said.  End of Quote

Source: Surfer Brian Brodersen Link to full content here not an endorsement

Another Article– Not an endorsement:

Don Stewart & Brian Broderson Give Pastoral Counsel

That Roman Catholic “Confirmation” is Not Harmful

Another Article– Not an endorsement:

Quote “Several years ago in a live Q&A session, someone asked John MacArthur if taking the mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation would be an unpardonable sin. His answer, in short, was no.” End Quote

Another Article– Not an Endorsement:

John MacArthur on “Profanity in the Pulpit,” and my two cents

April 24th, 2009 Posted in essentials, Pastor’s corner, Preach the Word, questions, sermons

“John MacArthur, one of the greatest preachers alive, is always willing to speak his mind about what the Scripture teaches. I have many of his volumes in my library and am honored to count him as a friend. In addition, John was one of the featured speakers at our recent Preach the Word Conference.” Greg Laurie Harvest Church



Calvary Chapel’s ungodly “Seat of Moses” Government Continues unabated

What does the Bible have to say about “Moses’ seat?”

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of  men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.” Matt.23:1-13

From Calvary Chapel Distinctives:

WE BELIEVE that the church government should be simplistic rather than a complex bureaucracy, and we depend on the Holy Spirit to lead, rather than on fleshly promotion. We recognize there are various biblical models for governing a local church body; however, we follow the biblical model of a pastor-led church as demonstrated by God’s leading the nation of Israel through Moses, and by Christ leading His flock through pastors of the early church. Source: here not an endorsement

CCOF is now CCA (Calvary Chapel Association)

Here’s the “Leadership Council” page

Here’s the “Regional Leadership” Map page

I left CC and I’m happy that I am no longer in that “Movement.” (That was me being kind) They still meet: 2012 Pastors Convention (click here), they still have their circuit speakers and “experts” defining the end of the world and who’s Apostate (Rick Warren-but not BFF Greg Laurie or ancient Jedi night Chuck Smith who mentored them) and who’s not: Greg Laurie, Skip Heitzig, Bob Coy, Gayle Erwin and Chuck Smith. I’ve said so much on CC already it feels like a moot point to report on them any further. There are people, beside myself, who have survived the throws of such a cult and to my fellow survivors I say, “Praise the Lord! You are free!” To those who are still engulfed in the “CC Movement” I pass no judgement on you (unless you know how deep and seedy things are there and continue to sit under such falsity) one day you may find yourself seeking the whole truth about this “Movement” and you’ll find your way back to this website and others who’ve trudged the road less traveled and tried to shed light on the darkness within CC.

In the meantime CC continues to grow (wide is the gate).  It’s not unusual that a “Movement” such as this has yet to cease from existence. Jesus warned us there would be false teachers, false Christs, and so it has been since before and since Jesus walked this earth. The truth does always win out~ the men who are sitting on the seat exalted of their own accord will be made known and it’ll be God’s doing not N4TM.  The further and longer it has been since I left CC I am less aware of what CC is up to, and I like it that way!

Jesuits beget Jesuits: Norman Geisler Veritas & Calvary Chapel Bible College

Veritas Evangelical Seminary

Veritas Evangelical Seminary is a free standing inter-denominational institution with its own Board of Directors, without affiliation to any particular church or denomination.

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Board of Directors

  • Luman R. (Roger) Wing (San Diego, CA)—Research Scientist [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, former UTT Board Member, Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]
  • Don Stewart (Laguna Niguel, CA)—Author/Speaker [Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Board Member, Pastor’s Perspective co-host, His Channel]
  • David Shirley (Murrieta, CA)—Pastor/Educator [Calvary Chapel Pastor Westminster London,England]
  • Joseph M. Holden (Winchester, CA)—President [Calvary Chapel Bible College Academic Adviser & Teacher]
  • Brian Brodersen (Costa Mesa, CA)—Pastor/Chairman [Calvary Chapel Bible College Vice President, Assistant Pastor Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa]

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(Veritas Evangelical Seminary) Adjunct Teachers/Guest Lecturers

Ergun Caner (Missler/Compass, ISCA/Geisler)
Arnold Fruchtenbaum ( Radio Free Church/John Higgins, Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism/Billy Graham (UN))
Ed Hindson (Missler/Compass)
Thomas Ice (Missler/Compass)
J. Randall Price (Missler/Compass)
Brian Nixon (Calvary Chapel of Albuquerque Pastoral Staff/Skip Heitzig, Publishing staff CCCM/Chuck Smith, Word for Today/Don Stewart&Chuck Smith)
Ron Rhodes (Missler/Compass)
William E. Nix (
Jay H. Smith (

Calvary Chapel Bible College: Guest Teachers/Lecturers

Dr. Richard Bennett, Cheryl Brodersen, Joey Buran, Charlie Campbell John Chubik

Dr. Paul Copan, John Courson, Dr. Ed Bulkley, Dr. Norman Geisler, Ken Graves,

Skip Heitzig, Jack Hibbs, Bob Hoekstra, Sean Housman, Poncho Juarez, Todd Kent

David Guzik, Wayne Taylor, Rafael Manzanares, Don McClure, John Millhouse

Norman Geisler Author of the Chicago Statement of 1978, formulated post PhD. from Jesuit School, Loyola University; is the Founder of Veritas Evangelical Seminary, and founder of International Society of Christian Apologetics (ISCA). Geisler is a part of Calvary Chapel Bible College, a frequent speaker at Calvary Chapel Churches, and conversely all of his Board Members of Veritas are Calvary Chapel related Pastors and/or Speakers and/or CC Board Members of other Calvary Chapels. The Chicago Statement of 1978 was signed by over 300 Evangelicals, including David Hocking and Josh McDowell to name a few.

Now some would have you to believe these people are not one in the same. What do you think now that you see the evidence?

Geisler, Missler, Smith, Graham

Chuck Missler admits he was a co-laborer with Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa for over 25 years, it’s in his bio on every site Chuck admits to running. Some would have you to believe Chuck Missler and Chuck Smith have little to do with one another now, in spite of the obvious facts that Chuck Missler speaks at Calvary Chapels and his organization: the Mind propagates the same roll call of speakers at various Calvary Chapels across America and abroad. Maybe we need to see a  more recent connection. How about this:

This is from a site called “Darwin is dead” site address is:

“Creation Science Fellowship of Calvary Chapel meets 7:30 P.M. the first and third  Saturday of each month at 3000 West MacArthur Blvd in Santa Ana, California. The six-story LOGOS Building is located just west of Fairview Rd and MacArthur Blvd, and is adjacent to the main campus of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa.  Admission is free.  Parking is free.  We are open to the public.” Source: (not an endorsement)

If you view the page you will see that is related to CCCM and you’ll see the speakers they have.

February 12, 2011 – Special extra meeting on the 2nd Saturday of February – Chuck Missler, Ph.D. (Biblical Studies) spoke on the topic, “Cosmic Electricity: A Billion, Billion, Billion, Billion Times Stronger Than Gravity!”

Chuck Missler appears to still be close to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Chuck Missler provides CC’s with their list of “Speakers” constantly. Norman Geisler is a Jesuit trained PHD(not an endorsement of the site). Geisler has stated along the same lines of Chuck Missler that he believes UFO’s are really demonic Nephelim. Geisler wrote a couple “Covenants” in his lifetime that gained the “Speakers/Pastors” that are involved in Calvary Chapel. All of Norman Geisler’s board members are related to Calvary Chapel. Norman Geisler may be a subversive Jesuit who is begetting further Jesuits by his involvement in CC Bible College and Veritas. Chuck Missler, CNP member shares his men with CC and Geisler. They are one in the same. There is no “discernment” there are no “watchman” this is a highly designed well oiled machine. I pray you research all that I’ve presented here.

The Building where Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa holds their “Creation Science Fellowship” meetings is in the same building that Samaritan’s Purse (Franklin Graham) has an office.

Click on picture for enlarged version. I’m sure the use of Samaritan’s Purse and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa has nothing to do with each other. Just like Skip Heitzig and Greg Laurie being on the Billy Graham Evangelical Association board has nothing to do with Calvary Chapel. I’m sure Arnold Frauchtenbaum’s attendance and signature of Lausanne Covenant (LCJE- Lausanne Consultation of Jewish Evangelicalism run by Billy Graham) has nothing to do with anything either. The Lausanne Covenant is part of the United Nations and World Council of Churches, but that has nothing to do with a one-world-apostate-ecumenical-interdenominational-false church. Billy Graham’s Masonic ties and work with the Vatican has nothing to do with Veritas, Calvary Chapel Bible College, shared board members, man issued and signed covenants. I’m sure it’s all nothing.

You will not find a “Discernment” ministry that has anything to do with book deals or conference speakers related to Calvary Chapel truly exposing what is going on within Calvary Chapel. Do not expect any “Researcher” or “Speaker” who shows up at a Calvary Chapel to tell you who is on whose board or who is on the “pass go” list. Some discernment sites and “speakers” may give the appearance of warning about Calvary Chapel’s heresy but they may be playing you for a fool to keep you preoccupied with some exposure while they are busy covering up for their friends.

jesuits beget jesuits

A Time to Speak

Ecclesiastes 3

 1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. 9What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth? 10I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. 11He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. 12I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life. 13And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. 14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. 15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past. 16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. 17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. 18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? 22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Chuck Missler is

Chuck Missler is Sowing Circle.

Chuck Missler is Koinonia House.

Chuck Missler is Blue Letter Bible.

Chuck Missler is SwanSat.

Chuck Missler is Steeling the Mind Conference.

Chuck Missler is off Doctrinally. Chuck Missler is a promoter of false teachers, prophesies falsely, and profits from the sheep he is deceiving.

**A Link Does Not Constitute as an endorsement of the site. Please use your own God given Discernment.

Back story: “Why is Roger Oakland sharing the pulpit with Chuck Missler when we all seem to know Chuck Missler is off doctrinally and is a promoter of false teaching, teachers, and is connected  to the UN and Rome?”

In the summer I was asked by an unnamed source to “Look into Missler.” So I did. What I found was a conglomerate of information on a slew of false teachers Chuck Missler endorses and works with steadily. Missler is a CNP member, Tim LaHaye is the founder of Council on National Policy. The CNP acts like a Conservative Right Wing version of CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and is highly secretive about its membership. The CNP does however like to brag and hold conferences and “Fundraisers” so occasionally we do find out who are CNP members. Chuck Missler is a CNP member. He also is the founder of Blue Letter Bible. Blue Letter Bible is naturally a part of every Calvary Chapel website. Blue Letter Bible says it was created by Sowing Circle. Sowing Circle is also Chuck Missler. Chuck Missler is also Koinonia House and Koinonia Institute. KI (Koinonia Institute) has on its Board of Regents: Roger Oakland, David Hocking, Tim LaHaye, Ron Matsen (also a UTT Board Memeber), Skip Heitzig (friend of Billy Graham and Jesuit General Boykin), William Welty (Co-Founder of SwanSat, and ISV with Missler), Bill Koenig (Washington “Correspondent”), Joseph Farah (Editor and founder of World Net Daily and a CNP member).

Chuck Missler is consumed with Numerology and Kabala (Jewish Mysticism). He claims he’s warning ‘you’ the Christian about all this; however I believe his obsession in talking about Trans-humanism, Nephilim/Aliens, and Quantum Physics is really his way to form a narrative in the mind of the Christian. He’s involved in government plans in Africa to create a central form of currency, he’s supposedly sending up satellites to create a means of Global Communication, he’s at the helm of the most widely used bible tool on the internet –Blue Letter Bible, altering the word of God via the ISV, and he’s propagating false prophesies (Y2K, Nephilim will return, etc.). In the Book that Chuck Missler co-wrote with his wife Nancy Missler it is stated that lukewarm Christians will be in outer darkness, a sort of purgatory. This is a paraphrase from what I remember of reading obviously, but I thought that it was highly unusual for such a renown “Bible Scholar” who runs an Institute on how to read the bible to get that so blatantly wrong. Missler was handing out his book for free like candy at a prophesy conference a few years back. A friend of mine read the book; it was so disturbing that she approached her then senior Pastor with her concerns when it was later revealed that the pastor was going to host a Steeling the Mind conference at their particular Calvary Chapel. The senior pastor knowing that Chuck Missler is the origin of Steeling Mind the Conferences, via heard the evidence and did nothing. The Steeling Mind conference was still held. Chuck Missler is part of the original group at the birth of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. He worked at various Government installations while he was “teaching the Bible at Calvary Costa Mesa.” His money is tied to Calvary Chapel. His organizes Israel trips that many other Senior CC pastors can utilize. Missler’s Compass works as an “agent” for all those popular “Teachers, Watchers, and Discernment Elite” who are on the list as available to come to your church. Money is not the root of all evil, the LOVE OF MONEY, is. When money that comes from such a blatant Wolf is what is funding your ministry or missions comes before the Gospel there is a problem. I truly believe there are those with hearts for children and the lost, but if you know the funds are coming from an evil source it’s greater to stand on the Gospel and Christ’s Righteousness than worry about where the money is going to come from. God is able to care for His children. There was an article that attempted to ‘cover’ for “good guys” who get snickered into speaking on the same platform with “bad guys” to form “bridges.” Sorry, that article was more controlled opposition. In this particular situation, I know of five or six people who directly asked Roger Oakland why he’s speaking with Chuck Missler in 2012 when all the evidence is stacked against Missler. Once the Sowing Circle/Blue Letter Bible money link to missions run by Oakland became evident, and sharing the Board of Regents between UTT and Koinonia Institute became evident, it became perfectly clear why there was a silence on this question. When I was first asked to look up Missler it was for another “Watchman” who is popular in alerting the church body about New Age Infiltration (not Oakland), and that speaker directly replied to me “Thanks for the information.” He went on to speak with Missler anyway as well. This is not for the faint of heart folks; the Word of God is true and will be fulfilled.

Jesus warned us that these false brethren would rise from among us. We should not be so surprised when we see once “rock solid” bible teachers etc., fall by the wayside. There were attempts in LOVE to contact Roger Oakland regarding all this information. People who personally sat across from him while he remained silent. The Lord can certainly still do a work, I don’t deny that. I can be wrong. All this could be planted information and Chuck Missler could be a saint and not who we have discovered him to be, but I don’t think so. What does this mean for you who have counted on the information by said ministries? It only says, lay down all idols, and follow Christ alone. Rest on the Pure word of God and the ability of the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom  to discern the spirits. Stop denying the power and might of the Holy Spirit by leaning on men (and women) and their interpretation and trust in the Lord again to complete the work He started. Things are crazy right now in the world but even more so in the Church. We need to wake up and trim our wicks now more than ever. The deception is deep, wide, and viral. I pray for all those involved in this mess. I pray somehow through all this the Lord God Almighty will be glorified, that we can say “Praise God! He is Calling me yet again unto Himself!” Do not be dismayed or afraid, our Lord is covering those whom He has called. Pray. Pray. Pray.

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