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Chuck Smith Jr Writes N4TM: Chuck Smith Jr’s Response to Being a “Straight Ally For Gay Christians” among other things

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Remarkable! It was interesting to read that I am “an advocate” for homosexual Christians. This is an example of either inadequate research or selective reporting–either one, in my opinion, demonstrates a lack of integrity. In that same video interview posted above, I explicitly stated that “I am not an advocate” for gay and lesbian Christians.

Have I sat “in the company” of homosexuals in conferences without delivering a word of judgment against them? Yes, I have. I went to them the way Jesus came into the world, not to condemn, but to save. And as He was sent into the world, so He sent His disciples into the world (Jn. 3:17; 17:18; 20:21). How many of these conferences have you been invited to come and speak? If none, how are do you plan on getting the gospel to gays and lesbians? Do you care whether they hear the gospel? Is it not your calling or concern?

You are misinformed regarding my contact with Roman Catholicism. I have never advocated for, or endorsed Thomas Merton. However, if he said something quotable that glorified God, I would not shrink back from quoting him. If Paul was comfortable quoting pagan poets and prophets, why should I avoid quoting someone whose beliefs I do not fully share? (Acts 17:28; Titus 1:12) There is a well-known fallacy of logic, argumentum ad hominem, which states that if you discredit the person, you discredit his argument, which in this case is tantamount to saying “Thomas Merton” was a Trappist monk, so everything Thomas Merton said was wrong.” People who may be wrong about everything else can still be right on one thing. As John Warwick Montgomery, conservative Christian theologian and apologist, said, “It’s hard to be wrong about EVERYTHING.”

By the way, I miss the days when to be a Christian apologist one had to be well-versed in logic, theology, philosophy, history, and original languages, as well as have an excellent knowledge of the entire Bible. John W. Montgomery is one of the few well-known apologists who are the real deal.

I have never advocated Roman Catholic dogma. My understanding of “contemplative prayer” is not drawn from Roman Catholicism, but from the Scriptures and especially the Psalms–which have been the source of hymns, prayer, and spiritual songs of God’s people for millennia. I have read many Roman Catholic authors including John Cassian, St. Augustine, Anselm, and Thomas Aquinas (most bonafide Christian apologists have also read Anselm, Augustine, and Aquinas). Furthermore, my reading list includes several works by Russian and Greek Orthodox theologians. I have also read The Institutes of John Calvin (who was a great fan of Augustine and quotes him frequently) and a host of other theological works and biblical commentaries by evangelical and fundamentalist authors. Martin Luther was also deeply interested in contemplative spirituality and strongly endorsed the work “The Theological Germanica.” But the only books I read without filters are the sixty-six books of the Bible.

On the other hand, many Protestants have been misled by anti-Catholic authors who have invented historical connections between Roman Catholicism and ancient pagan religions (such as Alexander Hislop’s “Two Babylons”). Not that I am defending everything that Roman Catholics around the world believe or do in the name of their religion. Nevertheless, I would not be surprised if the percentage of Roman Catholics who actually please God by walking with Him every day is at least as high as the percentage of Protestants who do so. Although I personally disapprove of praying to saints, I cannot believe that it is any worse than self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

You are wrong about me (actually, the church where I was Senior Pastor at the time) being “kicked out” of CC on the grounds that we were “emergent.” By the way, mijadedios, your “dove club” label is an uncharitable stab, to say the least, despite how deeply you feel CC deserves your ridicule. Anyway, that misinformation, sadly, came from my Uncle Paul. On at least three different occasions I carefully explained to him why neither I nor CBC were emergent. But he wasn’t listening to me because he had another agenda. Since he seemed uncomfortable in my meeting with him and had difficulty getting around to the point for wanting to see me, I asked him if it would be easier for him if I just removed CBC from the CC affiliation. He was instantly relieved and said answered, “Yes.”

Paul and a couple of his buddies at CCOF (during that period of time) had heard rumors about me and CBC that they never sought to substantiate for themselves by contacting me or visiting the church. They led a campaign to malign our work and to get us removed from the CC affiliation. I did not resist them, because it was something that mattered more to them than it did to me. Years ago, God impressed upon my heart that He is not into “brand” names, that the only name He endorses is the name above all names–that of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

One of my uncle’s friends went on to slander me on blogs and in print, accusing me of spending a sabbatical in a monastery (I didn’t) and returning to my church to hang icons so that people could pray to them (never happened). There were thousands of people who attended CBC over the years, so it would be easy enough to find just one person to corroborate that author’s claim. But no one ever will, because I have never believed in praying to icons and never taught anyone to pray to icons.

As far as Lonnie goes, why don’t you talk to people who knew him in order to get at the truth? Why do you think you can learn everything you need to know from video clips, articles, and other blogs? Do you let other people read the Bible for you or do you read it for yourself? Do you take just bits and pieces of the Bible and dismiss the rest? If you don’t trust others enough to let them tell you what the Bible says, why do you give them your full trust when it comes to other Christians–Christians you could easily contact or whose close friends and family are reachable? Why are you so quick to find flaws in others and then rush to condemn them? Really! Do you believe this pleases God? In fact, among the things that God hates are “A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” (KJV, on David’s behalf–my first Bible and the version I read through cover-to-cover before reading through any other. It is also my dad’s favorite and that which he most frequently quotes verbatim.)

Lonnie did not consider himself a homosexual and he believed that homosexual sex was a sin. He never endorsed homosexuality. When I first heard of his past (i.e., prior to his conversion to Jesus Christ), he had renounced it and considered himself a “new creature in Christ.” He was married to Connie at the time and he certainly did not continue “to act out openly in gay relationships throughout his life” (I find this statement of N4TM’s especially offensive, because it is an outright lie). I witnessed times when Lonnie prayed over other people that they would be delivered from their temptation to engage in homosexual sex.

Lonnie and I did not remain friends through the years, mostly because we got on two different tracks in ministry with two different emphases. I was not his greatest fan, but I didn’t criticize him either. After all is said and done, Lonnie was a child of God who struggled.

What do we call it when someone attributes motives to another person without having an accurate (or even close to accurate) understanding of the details? Again, it is remarkable to me that Christians behave the way they do, assuming that because they’re convinced their doctrine is more orthodox than another person’s, they are justified in making up stories or motives about that person. What happened with our weekly meetings in the Fromm’s home was no “publicity stunt.” A few corrections:

Chuck Fromm is the publisher of Worship Leader Magazine, not Leadership (Journal). He did not “found” Maranatha! Music, but he did run it for approximately thirty-five years.

Chuck and Stephanie have had many Bible studies in their home. It was a neighbor’s complaint about our meetings there that involved the city government, which imposed a fine on the Fromms for hosting weekly meetings. The Fromm’s initial attempts to meet with the city government and work this out were ignored and then shut down. That is when the Pacific Justice Institute got involved (I don’t know what the ACLJ is, but I certainly don’t have access to it–or to the ACLU). The lawyers with the Pacific Justice Institute defend the rights of churches all over the U.S. (and were also strong proponents of Prop. 8). They had won a similar case in San Diego county the previous year. They took the issue to the press and within a few weeks the city issued an apology, admitted that their initial response to our meetings was too aggressive, promised to review the law on their books (prohibiting weekly meetings in homes), and the whole thing was quickly settled out of court. It’s true that the Pacific Justice Institute was interested in carrying the case further, hoping to get a landmark decision in a higher court, but that wasn’t what we wanted. In fact, we had already moved our Bible study by the time the city submitted its apology. If it had been a publicity stunt, we certainly would have carried it further. However, we never exploited the media attention that arrived at the Fromm’s front door and I never consented to an interview. From the start, I wanted peace with the city.

Good Grief, mijadedios! I don’t know what else to say, except that it’s simply rotten of you to glibly refer to this ordeal as a publicity stunt. For what purpose would we do such a thing? What got publicized? The name of our small community of believers was never mentioned. If you had any idea of what the Fromm’s suffered from this whole thing or if you had even a meager understanding of their love for the Lord Jesus Christ and devotion to His people, I doubt you would smugly dismiss this unhappy season of their lives as a publicity stunt. However, God who works all things together for good, used this experience to introduce the Fromm’s to city hall and they are now on good terms with the city’s leaders. In fact, Chuck Fromm is friends with the Mayor who is also a born again Christian.

Yes, I’ve sat in the radio station with my dad a few times to answer questions on Pastor’s Perspective over the last couple of years. Each time, it was at Dad’s request when Don Stewart was out of town. Whatever it may mean to you that my dad asked me to be a guest on his show, please present to me one instance when an answer I gave contradicted the clear teaching of the Bible. If you can prove that I misinterpreted the Scriptures, I will return to this blog site, apologize, and change my view. If you cannot, then why make a big deal about me going on the air with my father? Also, if you discover that I provided a biblical answer to someone that reflected both a good understanding of God’s word and compassion for the caller, would you consider apologizing to me?


N4TM’s response:

I think the above, “unhihodedios,” was an attempt to say I’m not a child of God. Mija de Dios means Daughter of God. *It just occurred to me that this was Chuck Jr signing ‘Un hijo de dios’ translation: “A child of God.” Sorry, I don’t speak spanish so it took me a while to figure that one out.* I appreciate all you have to say here and I’m grateful to hear from you. It is more than I’ve heard from anyone I’ve written about. I have a lot to consider in what you are saying above and will take time to read through over and over and truly understand and discern the obvious aggravation from my accusations from the truth you are trying to convey. I’m glad you took the time to address the issues I brought up not just in the “Straight Ally for Gay Christians” piece I wrote, but you are also, very clearly, reading and addressing many posts I’ve written on Calvary Chapel including posts on Chuck From and Lonnie Frisbee. May I say that I do not harbor any personal hatred for you or even your father for that matter. What I do find heart wrenching and discouraging is the false teaching that’s been promoted for years, the lies that have been perpetuated, the people who have been used and abused by the CC system and much much more. But I am not about “Discrediting” or “Slandering” you. I was calling it as I see, yes with the limited information I have that I gather online, through hours of video, transcripts, personal experience, etc. Again I say, “Thank You,” and I will consider all the things you present here. I may take time to edit this reply after reading through your comment more carefully or I may chose to leave the issue alone, it depends on how the Lord leads.

Slick Rick Warren and “Papa” Chuck Smith Sr. Still Embracing After All These Years

While most of the Catholic world is waiting with abated breath for a new Pope to be chosen the Non-Denominational Ecumenical world still has their “Papa” (Pope); that is, Chuck Smith Sr of Calvary Chapel. Calvary Chapel spawned a blend of Charismatic Conservative type church movement after its stint as an Ecumenical playground for lost hippies during the 70’s. Chuck Smith Sr. dubbed as the founder of the hippie church, aka, “Jesus People Movement.” Although, Chuck was not the source of the growth it was rather his protegee, active homosexual, Lonnie Frisbee. Years later Calvary Chapel Movement cast off it’s more hyper-charismatic days in return for a yuppie style church that aimed to minister to it’s booming youth driven and modern centered style of worship. Chuck Smith Sr, a former Four-Square church pastor and child of a four-square pastor, found himself surrounded by young men who would continue to grow his movement. One notable young pastor was Greg Laurie. Greg was mentored by Lonnie Frisbee for a time and then later assumed a close relationship to another young up and coming soon-to-be mega pastor, Rick Warren. How do I know that Rick Warren has known Greg Laurie for decades? Rick Warren said so in an interview backstage of the Harvest Crusade in 2009.

What’s Wrong with Rick Warren he’s a philanthropist, a Pastor, a humanitarian!?

Rick Warren has notoriously misrepresented the bible, the actual scriptures. All this hoopla against Rick Warren started (as far as I personally remember) back in the early 2000’s with his book “The Purpose Driven Life.” When I was in CA attending a CC the women’s bible study group was going through the very book by Rick Warren. We never completed the study, which I was happy to end, because a certain man named Roger Oakland had warned “Papa” Chuck Smith about the many errors in the book and showed Rick Warren to be highly ecumenical in his theology. Oakland and others who make a living off of warning church goers against doctrinally unsound teachers all rallied with Oakland against Rick Warren, eventually “Papa” Chuck had no place to go but heed the warning and issue a Papal decree letter to all Calvary Chapel Pastors that the theology of Rick Warren was not biblical and his type of Christianity would not could not be endorsed at that time. This letter was issued in 2006 and was called, Parsons to Parsons, good like finding it. I didn’t need “Roger Oakland” to tell me that Rick Warren was off the mark scripturally. I could see Rick Warren’s misuse of scripture for myself when we (the ladies of the CC in CA) were doing that study. He misused scriptures, he took them out of context and distorted them to get his point across. It wasn’t until years later that I learned more about his “purpose” to redesign churches and move them away from teaching biblically sound doctrine to a quasi-motto-feel good don’t preach real doctrinal truths about God’s law and my sin, type of churches. [I’ve written extensively on Rick Warren and Chuck Smith use the search bar to the right.]

Today’s non Breaking News, the latest conglomeration of Smith and Warren has to do with this appearance on Pastor’s Perspective:

Rick and Chuck on Pastor’s Perspective on February 26,2013

On a strange side note I found this post at Light House Trails: click image to enlarge

screenshot of Lighthous trails 2.27.2013This post was not a “Statement” against the pairing, it was only a letter to the editor that was posted and then all of Roger Oakland’s posts related to his withdrawal from Calvary Chapel were listed with it. So officially it does not look like Light House Trails has said anything against Chuck Smith Sr for continuing to minister along side Rick Warren. They (LHT) are simply acknowledging that they know by showing this photo of the two. What do Roger Oakland’s posts have to do with Rick Warren and Chuck Smith continuing to work together? Roger Oakland never came out after the Embrace of 2009 and said, “Chuck Smith Senior, stop hanging out with Rick Warren!” or “Church, Look, Rick Warren The Compromised is imbedded into Calvary Chapel, get out now!” Roger Oakland never said anything of the sort in 2009, nor did any of his then compatriots of the Prophecy Speaking Circuit.

But N4TM, Didn’t Lighthouse Trails publish your post, “Woe,” on Chuck Smith and Rick Warren joining up in 2009?

Yes. Back in those days just after the Embrace of 2009 I waited patiently for all the famous “Men of God” who had warned me against Rick Warren to take to their bully pulpits and say something, anything, about Chuck Smith Sr. endorsing Rick Warren at the Harvest Crusade of 2009. No one spoke up, not one. I read nothing from Herescope, LHT, Hope for Today, Be Alert, UTT, etc. I waited for the respected “elders” of the group to say something and no one did. I was outraged at the silence so I spoke up. I had literally no one frequenting my blog at the time and it was only because I had a friend who knew the editors at LHT that my article got the small attention it did back then. It was quickly buried into the back of the closet, the article title changed, and more attention was given to a friend of Chuck’s who wrote a more politically correct “letter of concern” after my letter that was much more forward. It’s easy to erase history in the digital world of blogging.

*As a tip to readers who are truly trying to find the truth and have to muddle their way through various “Discernment” blogs always look for who the site endorses not just who they warn against and see if they are not compromised themselves. It is very possible to have ACME Discernment crew warning the church about Post-Modern, Emergent, New Age, Jewish Mysticism, and then by the same token they are endorsing their “authors” or “speakers” who go to churches who endorse the very doctrines they are supposedly warning you about. It’s a catch 22, no doubt and very confusing if you don’t know what/whom you are dealing with. As in the world, the compromised body of Christ also has a soft spot for Mammon. Mammon gets their speaker’s books and dvds sold, it gets them hits (visits to their sites), it gets them advertising, and not saying anything disparaging about the “leaders” who are estranged with the Apostate Church always buys them more time to sell more of their junk. It’s easy to figure out, it’s just horribly sad and discouraging. I know I’ve been there. In the end all of this is good news, because it draws our eyes to the Lord, the author and finisher of our faith. It reminds me (us) that there is only One Good Shepherd and that is Christ Jesus and no one man or two men can distract us from the truth of who God is when we put our faith, hope, and trust back on the one-the only one- who deserves it.

John 10:13-15 (KJV)

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Repost: WOE. revisited three years later

Front(Greg Laurie, Harvest Church Riverside,CA; Center Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa CA, Right: Rick Warren Saddleback Church Lake Forest,CA

“…Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.”Luke 12:1-3

The original Post of “Woe.” was on August 25, 2009. Edits and additional comments are explained at the end of the original post.

**Update: this post has been previously attached to a site that claims I am a CC ‘member.’
When I wrote this post I was attending a CC and had for years, this is no longer true as of June 2010.**

The Shift has Begun. The time for secrets and whispered alliances has become publicly known. The object of grievance for many who love Calvary Chapel and all that it once stood for has been affirmed. For all those who were called “Head Hunters, Heresy Sniffers, Contentious, and slanderers” they may now have some level of confirmation that their discernment wasn’t wrong; however, a true child of God who has the “gift” of discernment takes no pleasure in seeing what was once ‘the warning’ come to pass. Many people who are in the camp that believe Rick Warren is doing a work of God think that all of us are simply fanatic and fearful to ‘change.’ No. I accept Change. What I do not accept is heresy, lies, and false teachers. I will start in the order of the men that are in the picture above.

Greg Laurie.Greg is the Senior Pastor of Harvest Church in Riverside California. For those of you who don’t know the relationship of Greg Laurie and Rick Warren has stemmed over twenty years. According to Rick Warren himself, in a short clip taken backstage at the Harvest Crusade 2009, they have had a cyclical relationship with each others flock {see video below} . Greg Laurie has taught classes at Saddleback church and has done other projects in conjunction with Rick Warren. Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren has not been a secret in the Calvary Chapel circles. Many pastors have approached Greg Laurie over the years and attempted to rebuke him in love about his unequally yoked partnership to Rick Warren. Each time Greg asserted himself as someone who had been ‘sent to minister’ to Rick Warren. Over the same amount of years pastors have attempted to rebuke Rick Warren in love and to warn him about his own unequally yoked fellowship with those in the Emergent Church Movement and many other false gospels. Rick Warren too has justified himself and refused to repent of the heresies he has taught. I know that many people are going to be hurt by this news of Pastor Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie and Rick Warren appearing together on the same platform in “one accord.” For many who have called Calvary Chapel their home church the possibility of such once sound men of God (Laurie & Smith) appearing with an obvious wolf in sheep’s clothing (Warren) seems absolutely inconceivable. However, the truth of the matter is that is exactly what has happened. I have done many posts on this blog and my other blog related to the Heresy and Leaven that Rick Warren has introduced into the Evangelical, Christian, movement. This post is not so much to warn you of Rick Warren as it is to warn you about the dangers occurring inside Calvary Chapel. Rick Warren’s leaven has infiltrated Harvest church for years, it has filtered into smaller Calvary Chapels, and with the stamp of approval that Chuck Smith has now given it, the Leaven and Heresy that is Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life has come to roost in Harvest and Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.

Chuck Smith.Chuck is the Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and known as one of the key persons of influence of the Jesus People Movement. Honesty I know very little about the ‘Jesus people movement.’ I have attended Calvary Chapel the length of my entire walk with Jesus Christ and never once cared to look into when or why this ‘movement’ started. When I had entered in to this ‘fold’ I had felt I was getting clear biblical teaching of God’s word. And I was. The Calvary Chapel of the past has changed dramatically. What Pastor Chuck started all those years ago has become an extended family that has grown up generations of Christ loving, God fearing people. Today however, with the acceptance of one of the most dangerous false teachers, Rick Warren, Calvary Chapel has much to lose and little to gain from yoking itself with Purpose Driven heresy. As I stated before, Rick’s relationship with Greg has not been kept in isolation, many people have known of this, however the fear that the ‘leadership’ from the top…ie, Pastor Chuck Smith, to accept Rick Warren’s heresy and to condone it has tipped the scale. Many people in the Emergent Church movement have been waiting for the day that Chuck would ‘accept’ Emergent and Purpose Driven as a movement that not even Chuck could deny it’s power to move people. However, simply because people are moved emotionally and spiritually deceived into a spiritual ‘experience’ does not make that a move of God. In 2006 Chuck Smith himself released a positional paper that denounced the Emergent Church, however today he is by his actions denouncing the very stand he took only some three years ago. Today the rebuke doesn’t seem to come, however I trust the Lord is working out His perfect will even as it appears that evil is prospering. It must be said that today Chuck is only expressing publicly what he has held as true privately for a long time. I can say that because many sheep have been stumbled by his actions to shield and protect Greg Laurie and Greg’s relationship with Rick Warren. There have been events that have caused people to stumble that have been hosted by CCCM, and other “Calvary Chapel Pastors” over the years. It has been years. This didn’t happen over night. Senior Pastors from the biggest to the smallest Calvary Chapel on the Directory KNOW what has been going on. They have had overt warnings, they’ve had whispered concerns expressed by critically hurt sheep and have denied to address the problem of the leaven that is Rick Warren and his blasphemous counterfeit gospel.

My Appeal to Pastor Chuck Smith, with all due respect to what you’ve done in the past, what you are doing now and what’s been happening for some time is stumbling and scattering the flock that God entrusted to you and countless other Calvary Chapel Pastors.

8. The great confusion that exists in the divergent positions of the Emergent Church results from their challenging the final authority of the Scriptures. When you no longer have a final authority, then everyone’s ideas become as valid as the next person’s, and it cannot help but end in total confusion and contradictions.

There are those who say that Emergent movement has some good points, but so does a porcupine. You are better off if you don’t get too close!-Chuck Smith, 2006

Rick Warren. I’ve said enough.

“Thank you Greg for preaching at 4 of the 6 services at Saddleback.” Rick Warren.

Articles from my blogs on Rick Warren:

Rick Warren & Tony BlairWarren’s New Social Gospel bibleRick Warren catapults Obama among ‘Evangelicals’ by hosting a ‘conversation’ with Obama and McCain at Saddleback ChurchRick Warren’s Flip Flop Morality; is he For Marriage or Gay Unions? He can’t decide Did you know Warren is a Southern Baptist? Even they speak out against his false teaching! ♦ Rick Warren’s Interfaith Prayer at Inauguration called on the name of Isa, Jesus of Islam! ♦

Articles on Rick Warren from Other Sites:

Olive Tree Ministries, Understanding the Times, Slice of Laodicea , Crosstalk, Prophesy News Watch, Joel’s Trumpet, Eric Barger, Lighthousetrails, OneNewsNow

References to Warren at Laurie’s Harvest Crusade:

[The following sites are not an endorsement nor am I in agreement with the sites cited.]

Christian Post August 13, 2009ANS August 19, 2009Greg’s Images Twittered live from Harvest 2009 ♦ ♦ RT (re-tweet) of Rick Warren’s comment about Greg Laurie speaking at SaddlebackOfficial Harvest Crusade 2009 Video Sunday, Chuck Smith introduces Rick Warren @ 10:47 minNational Worship Leaders Conference 2009, Greg Laurie [the sites listed are reference points they do not represent sites that I endorse but are merely used to provide further information]

NWLC 2009 Reggie M. Kidd did a segment entitled: “Showing the Story with the Ancient Church” the main topics included:

In this seminar, we take up the biblical basis for the unity of Word and Table in worship that emerged in the early church. We introduce four important texts
for understanding ancient future worship.
We look at three, practical legacies of ancient worship:
• the reading of Scripture,
• the Eucharistic prayer,
• the chanting of the psalms

National Worship Leader Conference 2008, Skip Heitzig Calvary Chapel Albuquerque

You must understand who the speakers are at these events (Research Leonard Sweet), what they believe, and teach to understand the implications. There are people who become stumbled because they believe some on the ticket to be ‘men of God.’ Some of these ‘men of God’ have taught on other types of heresy, or false doctrine, yet still are unequally yoked and keeping company with darkness.

The Answer to the Question. You may be asking yourself right about now, “What does this all mean?” What am ‘I’ implying by voicing all the things that have been said in this post? Am ‘I’ calling Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith, heretics, false teachers, false prophets…? God’s word answers that for you.

2 Peter 2

1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

2Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

3and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 Peter 5

The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being examples to the flock.

Matthew 18

7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

1 Timothy 4

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Test all things. Test the Spirit. Test what is being preached and taught in your church against the WORD of God. I recently commented to a friend if people tested all ‘Pastors, Speakers, Authors, etc’ against the true Word of God then there wouldn’t be a need for ‘Discernment Ministries.’ There has been volumes of warnings out on Rick Warren, Purpose Driven Life, Emergent/Emerging Church, Dominionist Theology, Mysticism, Ancient Future Worship, etc. The hour is late and there is little time to go through all that is now masquerading itself as ‘light’ in this world…but by all means try to do your own homework. Do not take anything of what I’ve said in this post or any other for that matter without holding it up to see if it’s true.

2 Corinthians 6

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

One last answer to the broken-hearted out there who is grieving and mourning for the truth in matters….

All this has shown me is that there is no one righteous, no not one, especially myself! I make no claims to be more holy than the next person. I know that nothing good dwells in me and that I am a chief sinner. One thing I do know is that God is doing a continuing sanctification and by the Blood of the Lamb alone am I saved! Rejoice brother and sister in the Lord, for the time is near and the times are proving themselves to be the last days that our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken of. I know there is a remnant out there. I know there are people who love Jesus Christ Messiah and seek to do His will. Let us focus our eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, SON of the Living God! Our faith is bound up in Jesus Christ and none other!

Ezekiel 33

6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

**Update** 4-27- 2010

Finally a ministry with tons of connections comes out with a warning on what I’ve already expressed in this article and many countless others have been trying to express for years now~ better late than never:

Calvary Chapel Alert: Calvary Chapel Albuquerque (Skip Heitzig) Hosting New Age Mystic Leonard Sweet

(but let’s be clear this isn’t the first year he’s invited Leonard Sweet! AND it’s not that Chuck Smith doesn’t know about it or other CC Pastors…)

Post Primary Commentary: Below are my thoughts now in 2012, three years after the infamous embrace at Harvest August, 17th 2009.

The site above with a line through was Moriel, they disabled that link so it’s useless to have it up; and they never warned about Rick Warren’s connections to Greg Laurie or his visit in 2009 and embrace with Chuck Smith Sr.Further above in this post was a group of links to articles outside of my own blog posts who have written about Rick Warren; those sites I disabled the links to because I DO NOT support, endorse, or agree with those sites any longer. It has come to my attention over the years that those who placate and remain silent on truly exposing those within Calvary Chapel, who’ve enjoyed decades long employment and ministerial support, are just as guilty as perpetuating the lie within Calvary as the ones they claim to “expose;” namely Rick Warren.

Since this post in 2009 not one major discernment site reported on this union (Warren/Smith/Laurie). In fact since the Harvest 2009 20th Anniversary there has been much more leaven within Calvary Chapel and since then the failure of the major Discernment Sites and “Discernment Ministries” to expose the true and very real deception inside of Calvary Chapel has become over abundantly clear and pervasive. Those who expose Calvary Chapel and their fake discernment ministries that keep them afloat giving the appearance of a discerning church are the ones who are laboring and getting attacked from the CC machine. There is a vast and broad network within the Calvary Chapel “Movement” that crosses denominational divides. The Baptist Churches are involved too and I would venture to say that many of the “Emergent Churches” who have been declared the Devil incarnate by the organized controlled Discernment Ministries were really birthed out of the CC movement and the early hippies who saw CC moving toward Yuppeidom rather than staying “true” to their “emerging” styles in the early 70’s. This article “Woe” cost me nothing to post; I was an unknown blogger who had to send out mass emails to my friends and family to get readers. Now I don’t bother anyone with when I post a new article; however, I do have some more readers today than I did in 2009, but I am still very much an unknown. I do not have “secret” information; I do not know the upper echelons of Calvary Chapel. I do not work with anyone within Calvary Chapel or their subsidiaries. I am one person, with a heart for the body of Christ and I pray that those who are entrapped by the snare of the false teachings of CC and their organized discernment ministries will make their way out.

John 10: 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Chuck Smith Jr. A “Straight Ally” for Gay Christians

What is a Straight Ally?

Excerpt from Grace Rivers Blog:

Transitions – Report on TEN Conference 2010

“On Saturday they had a panel of what was called “straight allies”. I knew that the presence of these four men at this event was huge, groundbreaking and, in many ways, unprecedented. One has to consider that, just their mere appearance at this type of event could be a big risk for them, as there’s just not that many that call themselves “straight allies” in the Christian community right now. But, maybe even more significant, these  men chose to, not only attend this conference….they chose to be an integral part by participating in this panel.

The men who participated were Chuck Smith Jr. (son of Chuck Smith Sr, the father of the “Jesus Movement” and the founder of the huge network of Calvary Chapel churches around the globe) was on the end. Sitting next to Chuck Smith Jr was Andrew Marin (author of “Love is An Orientation”).

Then there  was Jay Bakker (son of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker). And, next to Jay was Mark Tidd (Evangelical pastor of Denver’s Highland Church). As the panel talked, each one shared their stories of meeting men and women in the gay community who loved God and wanted to serve Him. They shared how meeting these gay folks had challenged their own theologies regarding the “gay issue”, their historical views of homosexuality, and how they had seen the scriptures differently since they began to look into themselves in light of what they were experiencing.

I really related to these men. When I moved away from 22 years of conservative Ex-gay ministry and got alone with God myself, it seemed He was shaking loose some of the things I had always thought and had been taught. I was challenged by these men on the panel and their seeming care and love for the people here at this conference.”


This “Conference” took place in April of 2010. Where are all the “Discernment Ministries” on this event?

Chuck Smith Jr. Who was once “kicked out” of the Calvary Chapel Outreach Fellowship (CCOF) for being “Emergent” has gone on to become an advocate for the Gay Christian community. He is termed a “Bridge Builder” by them. He himself states at marker 6:30 in the video below that he “Loves and Praises my brothers and sisters in Christ,” when referring to the LGBT group at the meeting.

Chuck Smith Jr is a frequent Pastor’s Perspective host with his father, Chuck Smith Sr., the “Father” of the “Jesus People Movement.” Despite the attempts of Chuck Smith Sr to rewrite the history of Calvary Chapel and the Jesus people movement to exclude its true founder, Lonnie Frisbee, Chuck Smith Jr. makes all attempts to remind people that the Gay Hippie Preacher who “converted” via an LSD trip was instrumental at the inception of Calvary Chapel. See here for a video of Chuck Smith Jr’s account of Lonnie Frisbee’s role in CCCM.

Calvary Chapel and its leader Chuck Smith Sr have notoriously and belligerently sought to erase the facts surrounding Lonnie Frisbee. Lonnie Frisbee mentored Greg Laurie, and Chuck Smith Jr. Lonnie Frisbee co-ministered for years with John Higgins at the Commune House of Acts. Lonnie Frisbee met Billy Graham and traveled to Europe and Africa depositing his “mantle” all over the place. Lonnie Frisbee was instrumental in the Vineyard Movement and recently his “mantle” has been called upon for a third wave of apostolic Latter Rain type revival; See here for videos, be warned they are demonic. Lonnie Frisbee did not convert to Christianity he had a “mystical” experience, he calls himself a “see-er” and a “mystic” see here for video. Lonnie Frisbee continued to sleep with men after his apparent conversion and died of AIDS. So, Chuck Smith Jr appears on stage with Gay Christians, welcomes them and their lifestyle into the all encompassing interdenominational church of god and no one at CCCM, or any “watchmen/women” are the wiser. He floats into KWAVE and hosts Pastor’s Perspective with his father through the course of last year and confirms his ecumenical jesus with his father that Catholics are Christians too, and by the way so are practicing homosexuals. Never mind what the Bible says about this, Grace over Doctrine is the Modus operandi at Calvary Chapel and its sister ministries.

Chuck Smith Sr. (left) Lonnie Frisbee (right)

quoted text from The Gay Gospel on Chuck Smith Jr. beliefs**Use of links or quoted text such as screen shot of “The Gay Gospel” is not an endorsement but merely used to inform.

Another Jesuit for Another Gospel

What do Bill Bright (Campus Crusade for Christ), Billy Graham (Billy Graham Evangelistic Association), Tim LaHaye (CNP founder, Left Behind co-author), and Chuck Smith have in common? They have all benefited financially from Nelson Bunker Hunt. Nelson Bunker Hunt is a business tycoon famous for trying to make a run on Silver (see here), an Equestrian, and something I’ve learned recently, a Jesuit for the Order of Saint Lazarus of Jerusalem. The following information is an attempt to show the relationship between Nelson Bunker Hunt and “another gospel.” The “Evangelical” Non-Denomination movement was and is funded by Socialists, Nazi-Sympathizers, Anti-Communists, Jesuits, and all in all evil people. There is a saying, “An enemy of my enemy is my friend.” This thinking leads to ‘frenemies’ and an enemy who’s a temporary friend ultimately will return to their natural state of being your enemy. God does not work this way. God’s word tells us not to yoke with unbelievers. This group of Elitists believe it’s okay to work with the enemy, to join hands, to make Covenants and oaths together for a common cause. Jesus did not have a separate gospel for Global Elites like some of the “Family” members would like to believe. I understand that all this information takes a turn down the shadowy world of conspiracy theories that the “New World Order” has Jesuits working for the return to Rome, but oddly enough, they really do have evil plans and they are increasingly revealing it themselves as though we should be grateful for their great ideas. You don’t have to believe one thing in this post. It’s not up to me to convince you that what we have been told and sold as an “Act of God” via a “Jesus Movement” is truly a conceived fabrication of men leading men and deceiving generations of Jesus Christs’ sheep. The good news is, if you’re truly called of God He can reveal the truth to you (the truth is Christian Society has chosen to follow men and not Christ and has conversely allowed idol worship, blindness, and delusion to take root).

Today’s CRU Yesterday’s Orchestrated Movement

Dr. William (Bill) Rohl Bright (1921-2003) – CNP Board of Governors (1982). Formerly fancy foods salesman. For 11 years, Bill and Vonette Bright were groomed for leadership and trained in ecumenical doctrine living in the home of Henrietta Mears,

Billy Graham (left) Bill Bright (right)

who with Charles Fuller, Harold Ockenga, J. Edwin Orr of Oxford University and Armand Gesswein worked together to establish ecumenical campus movements. President and Founder of Campus Crusade for Christ, member of the National Honorary Committee of the RHA (Religious Heritage of America), and a leading participant at the founding of the STEP Program and Foundation.

In 1951, Nelson Bunker Hunt, heir of the Hunt Oil Company fortune, and Wallace Johnson, founder of Holiday Inns, worked with and $$ funded $$ Bill Bright’s Campus Crusade for Christ to the tune of $15.5 million. In 1967, formed Christian World Liberation Front (CWLF) as a covert front for Campus Crusade, which split off and became a leading ministry in the Jesus People movement. Bunker Hunt arranged a retreat for more than 500 millionaires who pledged $20 to Campus Crusade. [Media Spotlight 22:1, p.8; Saloma 53; Diamond 51-56] SOURCE: *this is not an endorsement of the site.


On the Sunset Strip, evangelist Arthur Blessitt opened the His Place nightclub and coffeehouse as a 24 hour way station for youth. At the University of California at Berkeley, Dr. Jack Sparks and some other members of Campus Crusade decided to begin a counter-cultural outreach program called the Christian World Liberation Front (CWLF) directed towards reaching campus radicals.

The ensuing groundswell of activity spawned a number of other developments as well. Realizing the need to open their churches to the hippie generation Realizing the manufactured ‘counter culture’ of drugged out hippies could also be used to further Ecumenical purposes (changes mine), many conservative pastors recruited hippie liaisons to their ministerial staff. Both Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel (in Santa Ana, California) with the recruitment of Lonnie Frisbee, and Lyle Steenis of Bethel Tabernacle (in Redondo Beach) with the recruitment of Breck Stevens found their churches radically transformed in the wake of their decisions. SOURCE: Click Here *this is not an endorsement of the site.

Campus Crusade was the organization responsible for the “evangelistic blitz” at Berkeley in 1967, when six hundred volunteers arrived at the California flagship school. About this time, the organization began to expand its domestic and international outreach to other segments of the population. Five years later its Christian convention brought out a crowd of more than eighty thousand at the Dallas Cotton Bowl, and more than one hundred thousand more attendees arrived later for a Christian rock concert. This event, Explo ’72, made Campus Crusade a pioneer force in *CONTEMPORARY CHRISTIAN MUSIC. (LOVE SONG a famous Calvary Chapel Hippie band (still circuit singing at CC’s) was catapulted at Explo ’72) SOURCE: Here this is not an endorsement of the site.

Nelson Bunker Hunt

Nelson Bunker Hunt is on the Council for National Policy (CNP) President Executive Committee (1983); CNP Senior Executive Committee (1983-84); CNP Executive Committee (1988). Heir of the Hunt Oil Company fortune.

Financial backer of CNP, CBN, JBS.

In 1951, Bunker Hunt and Wallace Johnson, founder of Holiday Inns, worked with and funded Bill Bright’s Campus Crusade for Christ donating $15.5 million.

In 1967, Hunt formed the Christian World Liberation Front (CWLF) as a covert front for Campus Crusade, which split off and became a leading ministry in the Jesus People movement. Bunker Hunt arranged a retreat for more than 500 millionaires who pledged $20 to Campus Crusade. He once organized a paramilitary force called “Americans Volunteer Group” which he intended to use as a “death squad” against political opponents. [Hougan 55-56; Saloma 53; Diamond 51-56, 250]

Shady Dealings, from Financing Moves of God to Covert Ops

In 1967, Nelson Bunker Hunt provided Cameron Townsend, founder of the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and the Wycliffe Bible Translators, property in Dallas for a new international translation center. Thy Will Be Done, by Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett, documents the business and political connections between Wycliffe Bible Translators, the Rockefeller family, and the CIA. The result of the dealings was the genocide of indigenous tribes in the Amazon basin, although Cam Townsend denied the deaths.

Hunt funded Ed McAteer, “the Colgate-Palmolive salesman who was the organizing force behind the politicized Fundamentalist movement… The sheer human energy amassed by wealthy SIL backers like North Carolina’s James A. Jones, one of the largest contractors for military bases in Vietnam, and oilman Nelson Bunker Hunt of Texas. ‘Bunker Hunt had helped me considerable,’ McAteer freely offered…Wycliffe Associates’ ‘500 Club’ was designed to offer the richer members a way out of service through cash; $500 or more each year was all it took to get a special certificate of membership. Some gave much more. Texas’s corporate leaders were prominent in helping Cam build SIL’s International Linguistics Center near Dallas; the Linguistics Center’s board meeting was one of those special occasions where a Rockefeller business partner like Trammel Crow could rub shoulders with an ultra rightist like Nelson Bunker Hunt. But they were the old core of supporters.” [Colby & Dennett 570, 805]

Bill Bright persuaded Nelson Bunker Hunt to underwrite the $6 million cost to produce the ‘Jesus’ movie in the 1970s.

Hunt, whose John Birch Society background is documented by Conway and Siegelman in Holy Terror, also made a contribution of $1 million to the Moral Majority in 1981, according to Perry Dean Young.” [Ominous Politics] Donated $10 million to Pat Robertson‘s Christian Broadcasters Network in 1970.

Another Jesuit

Recently Understand The Times exposed Ret. General Jerry Boykin as an active Jesuit of the Knights of Malta. Boykin has been circulating around Calvary Chapels for years. He circuit speaks at Calvary Conferences in the US and Israel. If Boykin is a Jesuit, and Nelson Bunker Hunt is a Jesuit, what are the odds that there are more inside Calvary Chapel?

Hunt is also a member of the Military and Hospitaller Order of Saint Lazarus of Jerusalem, a racist “brotherhood” modeled after the Hospitallers. “Its international membership is consisting of Roman-catholic, Anglican, Protestant, Orthodox, United, Old Catholic, New Apostolic and other Christians” 36
The Order of Saint Lazarus has been linked to Lady Malcolm Douglas Hamilton. Lord Hamilton was the host to Rudolph Hess, Hitler’s second in command, when – in 1940 – Hess made his secret flight to England. Hess was seeking to meet with the British aristocratic circle known as the “Cliveden Set.” 37 (Source: Click here -this is NOT an endorsement of the site).

Another Site states that Nelson Bunker Hunt is a “Knight for the Order of Malta” SOURCE: see site here scroll down for list of names and associations *this is not an endorsement of the site.

Members of the “Here’s Life, World” Intl Executive Committee (l980): Bill Bright, Nelson Bunker Hunt, Roy Rogers, W. Clement Stone, Dr. Jacob Malik (former pres of the United Nations General Assembly), Wallace E. Johnson.

Bunker Hunt funded the “STEP Program and Foundation”… the result of a meeting of some 200 …wealthy and powerful evangelical, religious, political and business leaders… 76. held on Dallas, Texas April 21st and 22nd 1982, at the behest of multimillionaires Clint Murchison, Jr. and Nelson Bunker Hunt! STEP, an acronym for “Strategies to Eliminate Poverty” was …formed to alleviate poverty through private sector funding and volunteerism…!  According to the Christian Inquirer, Nelson Bunker Hunt “kicked off” the STEP Program in November of 1981, with a $1 million contribution. It is most interesting to note that among Those attending the April 1982 meeting in Dallas, besides the previously mentioned Dr William Bill Bright, Murchison, and Hunt, were: Dallas Cowboy Coach Tom Landry, Television evangelists Jim Baker, [and CNP’s]  James Robison and  Pat Robertson, (Holly) Coors;  Dallas businesswoman [Late] Mary C. Crowley, and the Rev. E.V. Hill  – keynote speaker at the meeting and president of STEP.  [Miller 4] SOURCE:

William H. Regnery was one of the founders of the American Security Council. He was later replaced by his son, Henry. Regnery and Nelson Bunker Hunt, son of the Texas oil tycoon, H.L. Hunt, funded the intelligence-gathering organization, Western Goals Foundation which provided intelligence on liberals and “communist subversives” to the John Birch Society in the ’60′s. The John Birch Society was bankrolled by Nelson Bunker Hunt.

If the Military-Industrial Complex had a mail stop, the American Security Council was it. They had direct ties to Nelson Bunker Hunt’s John Birch Society, Daniel Graham’s High Frontiers and the Western Goals Foundation. The ASC was also the major architect of the Cold War. Through their lobbying arms, the National Security Caucus and the Coalition for Peace Through Strength, the ASC produced innumerable articles and publications including their Guidelines for Cold War Victory and the National Strategy for Peace through Strength. They also had a profound influence on policy decisions during the Reagan Administration. Indeed, Ronald Reagan credited the organization with no less than “winning” the Cold War. **Source: **this is not an endorsement of the site.

CNP, Hunt, and Calvary Chapel Speakers

Herbert William Hunt– CNP Board of Governors (1982). Multimillionaire and brother to Nelson Bunker Hunt. In 1981, William Herbert and Nelson Bunker Hunt provided the start-up $$ money $$ for the Council for National Policy.SOURCE: Here *this is not an endorsement of the site. (Account from Tim LaHaye himself referring to Hunt at the foundation of CNP)

CNP founder Tim LaHaye CNP Financial Contributor Nelson Bunker Hunt

CNP foundation CNP was founded in 1981 as a 501(c)(3) non-profit educational organization by Rev. Tim LaHaye of the Religious Roundtable, who was also the first CNP president, 1981. LaHaye, the right-wing, evangelical political motivator and author of the Left Behind series. The original directors, as listed with CNP’s articles of incorporation filed with the Texas Secretary of State were Howard Phillips, a long-time conservative activist with plenty of conservative groups under his wing, and Bob J. Perry, a Texas businessman who has long donated vast amounts of money to conservative causes.SOURCE: Here *this is not an endorsement of the site.

Nelson Bunker Hunt is currently a member of Council of National Policy (CNP). Here is a list of other CNP members who are also close long time friends of Calvary Chapel:

  • Charles (Chuck) Missler (Koininia House, 66/40, Swansat)
  • Tony Perkins (Family Research Council; founded in 1983 has near identical logo to CNP) [FRC is parent to Watchman on the Wall, for pastors; where Jack Hibbs of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills is a member and avid promoter of FRC and Tony Perkins.]
  • Tim LaHaye &  (CNP founder, Writer of Left Behind Series, Avid Calvary Chapel Speaker, Compass Speaker, Pre-Trib Research Center, Tim LaHaye Ministries)Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women of America)
  • Pat Matrisciana (Citizens for Honest Government/Jeremiah Films, Husband of Caryl Matrisciana)

CNP, Nelson Bunker Hunt, and the “Tea Party”

The Council for National Policy was started allegedly to counter the workings of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), yet there were five CFR members on the early membership rosters of the CNP. The CNP was started in 1981 by Nelson Bunker Hunt, Pat Robertson, Tim LaHaye, (who accepted millions from Sun Myung Moon who claims he came to finish what Jesus started) and T. Cullen Davis who helped fund the CNP to get it off the ground. T. Cullen Davis was tried for murder not once, but twice. A book written about the trials is still available entitled, “Blood Will Tell: The Murder Trials of T. Cullen Davis” by Gary Cartwright. For a short synopsis click here.

Many of CNP’s highest-ranking members also belong to the Masonic Knights of Malta and are associated with Fabian socialism and the eugenics movement, not to mention cultists like Sun Myung Moon and Scientology as well as the heretical and cultic Dominionist/Reconstructionist movement. Oil baron and CNP member Nelson Bunker Hunt was a former member of the racist pro-eugenics group called the International Association for the Advancement of Ethnology and Eugenics. The group was heavily involved in the promotion of eugenics and segregation. I know two members who left the CNP stating it was in bed with the left from its inception. One of these former members writes for SOURCE: *this is not an endorsement of the site.

Skip Heitzig (BGEA)-general Jerry Boykin (SMOM)- Joel Rosenberg (Heirtage Foundation)-Greg Laurie (BGEA)- Tim LaHaye (CNP)- Youseff

I did not address Billy Graham and his Ecumenical movement known as Lausanne, because others have done better jobs at exposing it. I highly recommend you research Billy Graham. He has supplied much of the confirmation of his ecumenical heretical shenanigans on his own site: Wheaton Archive and Lausanne.Org. Billy Graham has an Evangelistic Center called, “The Cove,” where Skip Heitzig, Bob Coy, Erwin Lutzer, Chip Ingram, Alistair Begg and others are recurring guests. It doesn’t take much to draw conclusions and connect the dots. Greg Laurie has a long history of working closely with Billy Graham, Laurie sits on the board of BGEA and Samaritans Purse. Billy Graham was the Keynote Speaker at EXPLO ’72. Explo ’72 was funded in part by Nelson Bunker Hunt, organized by Campus Crusade for Christ (Bill Bright) and was in it’s purpose an Emergent Post-Modern Attempt of its time to target the young hippies. Explo ’72 put a stamp of approval on the “Jesus People Movement” by having Mega Star Evangelist Billy Graham there. The beginning of Billy Graham’s epic stardom can be traced to Masons and Ecumenical origins. Billy Graham has been exposed for years and has dealings with C. Peter Wagner (N.A.R (New Apostolic Reformation/Dominionist/Kingdom Now) infamy) and others (too many to name for this post). All one has to do is spend time on Graham’s sites and names will be revealed (esp. Wheaton Archive). This post is for informational purposes. It has been over two weeks of research and many hours of reading. I have inserted many links (none constitute an endorsement) I suggest you spend an equal amount or more time before you ignore all the information presented here. I can not emphasize enough that there has been a ongoing deception for so long that it’s near implausible to believe that these so called ‘great men of God’ could be doing this on purpose, but I will leave you with this:

2 Peter 2

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

Conservative Christian or Calculated Confusion

The term “Conservative Christian” is a misnomer. This implies that there are or can be “Liberal Christians” and that those who are “Conservative” are the closer to God’s law and righteousness. The problem with this term is that it implies a false sense of security for the Christian. Someone who loves Christ and wants to abide in Christ in their private life but in the public arena as well can easily be sucked into this lie. It’s similar to the original lie, “Surely you shall not die.” Genesis 3:4 The Christian is lured into thinking that supporting Conservative Christian policies and civil servants is the way to honor God. It would be ideal if it wasn’t completely infiltrated and used as a cover to do the most horrendous things in the name of God. When Scripture directs us to “test the spirits” it includes those and is especially speaking to those who come in the name of Christ. Most Christians even the youngest of believers can distinguish an obvious liar or an overt display of evil when it’s evident on the outward appearance. Don’t forget dear Christian that Satan can quote Scripture and that is why even Jesus Christ our Savior rebuked him for quoting God’s word out of context. If Satan dare tempt Christ with quoting scripture why would you be spared such a deception?

Many, especially those who are called, are finding out that the Right is not quite, not quite right. Evil and sinister plots are afoot and the path crosses political party lines. The old adage that suggests we not discuss Politics or Religion at the dinner table will not apply in this post. It is exactly the time to discuss both and their consequential role of influence on one another that I write to you today. Just as Cancer does not discriminate against whom it inflicts, so is the plague that is upon the Church today.

Religion of Politics

The Conservative ‘Right’ is predominately Christian. You can attest that there are ‘Christian’ liberals, and I will appease you to say there are those who appear more conservative in the Left winged political fare then some in the Right’s party-yes, but for the most part Christians ( fall into the Conservative Right category more than not. There is a renewed fervor of militant Conservatism, a revival if you will, not to the Doctrines of Christ, but to the falsified Doctrines of the ‘Founding Fathers.’ This abhorrent idolization of men passed is met with selective memory. The right wing revival is just as steeped in idolatry as the left wing hypercharismania of the 2008 elections. Politics is a Religion and that’s why our country and our brethren are in trouble. When I began to uncover the depth and breadth of the chasm of evil that has permeated the illusion of our current governmental system, I dually uncovered that the religious right is involved as well. I am not ignorant of the fact that religious organizations can be/or have been or currently are corrupted by money, power, and sin etc. I know this fact, but there were new things I began to find out. Namely the last man standing was not exactly standing on a solid rock foundation. And the pyramid of which sits atop of this foundation will crumble just as quickly as all the others who fall into (or began in) apostasy.

What the Right Leaves Out

Most well minded Christ centered people desire to live righteously. Christians intend to reflect their lives in a manner that displays Godly characteristics. Christians who follow after the Lord Jesus of the bible want to do right. There are some in the flanks who are simply ignorant. By ignorant, I mean ‘unaware’ of what is going on in the pre-game show and they don’t have time to stick around for the post-game wrap up. They show up, they vote their conscience, they pray it turns out as God would so will and they leave it at that. And God bless them for at least spending some neurons on thinking out their vote! However, what this God pleasing person neglects to do is something that the Father actually called Isaiah to do, “Come, let us reason.” God never suggests to us in His word or otherwise that we abandon our thought process and allow men, or women, to influence us when we vote. I spoke of ‘hypercharismania’ in reference to the Democratic party’s zeal in 2008, but we have since fallen under the same spell. Don’t say we haven’t there have been some misfires in our pursuits to simply put men and women with an (R) in front of their name into office only to later find out there were as cold blooded left as all get out! So what is the Right not telling us common folk? They’re not telling us that they in the upper echelons don’t necessarily need us. They are part of a greater and more deceptive plan than we can know or fully understand. I’ve begun to discern some of it, and of what I’ve uncovered it still escapes me how we’ve lasted as long as we have as a country and as people on earth without warranting God’s Holy Judgment on us! But then again, I serve an all knowing,all merciful, patient, and long-suffering Abba in Heaven who seeks that none should perish but that all should come to Him. There is a group of fundamental Christian Conservatives who have sold their soul to the devil, who say they are doing things in our best interest. For all intensive purposes these particular “Fundamentalist Christians” are not serving the same Jesus Christ we do in the Bible. Instead they serve a greedy and unadulterated pagan deity known as Lucifer himself. It would be in your best interest to search out the true purposes of those who call themselves our family.

A Warning

The word of God repeatedly petitions us to be aware, to be alert, to be sober; and there will be those who from ‘among’ you will seek to destroy you. If you know these warnings read them and re-read them. The time we have here is but a vapor; what we see with our natural eyes can play tricks on us, but there is ONE who knows all, and He has already told us what to expect. It is our duty to mature, to grow in the weightier things, and to seek out the Truth. He who is in you is greater than he of this world. Do your own research. Do not get accustomed to spoon feeding from major media personae or mega-pastors. Due diligence is of the essence. And remember, fix your eyes on Christ!

I will not Follow

I will not follow man. I pray that those who stumble upon this site will take into consideration any and all idols that have been placed on the mantle before your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Men fail. Men are not to be worshiped. Men are not the sole mediators between God the Father and you, that is a place held by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

If you are upset that your idol has been confronted, has been shaken from the lifted up place in your heart it’s time to ask the Lord to search out your heart. There are men who come ‘in the name of the Lord’ but by their actions and in-actions are revealing a deeper truth, their lord is their belly; and their idols are being protected rather than revealed and repented of. There is a Great Apostasy taking place. One that the likes of Christians world wide will never have experienced before. There is a time that you have to choose your delusion, you can choose to not know, to look the other way, to be purposeful in your lack of discernment, but then that time will close and your delusion will no longer be your own. I pray that if you are a Christian, Redeemed, Regenerate, Born Again, and seeking the Truth of Who God IS, that you will find Him. I pray that you hold up every idol to the light of Scripture and allow the Holy Spirit to minister to you. If you experience conviction of the heart, then repent, tear down the idols and go and sin no more. Our time here is short, it is a vapor. We must cling to the only truth there is and it doesn’t come from men, or women, it comes from HIS WORD.

I report on news. It’s not news to the Lord. I warn of false teachers. False teachers are of no surprise to the Lord. I plead and beg my readers to test the spirits. It is the Job of the Holy Spirit to convict the heart. I submit to you my lowly state, my anger, my frustrations, my fears, my hopes, I am no one. I am simply a daughter of God.

flashback: Woe.